Hmm...
Ok, so the previous debate with them / jboss / RH was not really successful,
so it looks like it's not really successful if it's rehashed again, I recon?
FB
> Please go ahead and let us know which are the conditions...
> We have talked with them when CF have started but the conclusion was not
> nice.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Wenig, Stefan <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
> Again, I'm not saying you _should_... but if you're concerned about
> copyright ownership you could try to get the CodePlex foundation to help
> out. I understand owning and managing copyrights is one of their services.
> I'll be meeting Garrett Serrack on Tuesday. He's employed at MS and owns
the
> CoApp project at CodePlex Foundation (OSS package manager for windows). If
> there is a serious interest in the NH team (no premature commitment, mind
> you!), I could try and talk to him about that.
>
>
>
> AFAIK, the Foundation is still looking for good success stories ;-)
>
>
>
> Here's the who's who:
> http://www.codeplex.org/About/BoardofDirectors.aspx
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stefan
>
>
>
> From: [email protected] [mailto:nhibernate-
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Fabio Maulo
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:08 PM
>
>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [nhibernate-development] LGPL v3 for NH3 (?)
>
>
>
>
>
> AFIK JBoss has the copyright of "NHibernate" and we already had a
> long debate with them.
>
> We don't have money to buy the copyright and then defend it.
>
> We don't have time to spend in this matter because we are coders.
>
>
>
> Do you want follow the acquirement of the copyright ?
>
> Do you want follow and fund the organization of the foundation ?
>
> Many of us have very good intentions and a very good karma but...
the
> crude reality of facts of the real world is questionless.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Frans Bouma <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > We define this kind of talk : "The immortality of the medusa"
>
> nonsense, I defeated medusa in God of War 2. ;)
>
> blabla aside, what do you think about an NH foundation which
> owns
> the (c) of NH to prevent future debates about all this? or do you
> think it's
> better for NH to leave it 'in the land of unknown' ? (serious
> question)
>
> FB
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Fabio Maulo
<[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This is a new record, 80+ mails, but we can do something
> better.
> > At 100 GMail will auto-generate a new thread.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Frans Bouma <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > AAAAHHHHHHHH!
> > >
> > > Please Frans, it's nothing personal either, but
> you're
> > obviously not into
> > > *GPL licensing that deep. First the claims about
> the AGPL
> > being viral over
> > > web service boundaries, and now you tell people
> that any
> > contributor can
> > > just revoke their contribution from LGPL usage?
> Please be
> > careful with
> > such
> > > claims!
> >
> >
> > errr, the contributor OWNS his work by law,
> and if
> the
> > contributor
> > (still copyright holder!) doesn't want to distribute
> his
> work
> > anymore, he's
> > entitled to do so. How can a GPL license overrule
> that law?
> It
> > can't. I
> > simply don't understand why you think a copyright
> holder
> CANT
> > revoke
> > distribution rights of the work he owns.
> >
> > About AGPL's clause over webservices, I
indeed
> > misinterpreted it,
> > you're right, I'm not.
> >
> >
> > > Once you grant a license such as the GPL or LGPL,
> it
> cannot
> > be withdrawn.
> > > You can stop distributing it under that license,
> you can
> > release new
> > > versions without that license (if you own all
> necessary
> > rights), but you
> > > cannot prevent other people from using the
> previously
> > released code based
> > > upon the license it was released under.
> >
> >
> > It's debatable, as it depends on what you see
> as
> > 'ownership right':
> > if I give you the right to use a piece of code I
> wrote, and
> > after a year I
> > decide to revoke it, do I have that right or not?
> Only if
> you
> > received from
> > me the right that you may use it indefinitely. For
> example
> > dutch copyright
> > law is written to protect the copyright holder,
> nothing can
> be
> > done to the
> > changed work without the approval of the copyright
> holder,
> > this is a
> > difference between e.g. dutch law and US law and was
> also a
> > problem with
> > translating the creative commons to a dutch law
> compatible
> > version.
> >
> > \o/ It depends! (where you are ;))
> >
> >
> > > At least that's what the FSF says. GPLv2 does not
> have the
> > word
> > irrevocable
> > > in it, GPLv3 does. It has never been tested in
> court
> AFAIK,
> > but the way
> > you
> > > put it, it looks just uninformed to me.
> >
> >
> > I'm not uninformed, trust me. I don't think
> you're
> > uninformed
> > either, ISV's have to be well informed about what
> licensing
> is
> > all about and
> > what the consequences are, for example when someone
> does
> work
> > for you or
> > wants to contribute code to your project.
> >
> >
> > > Thousands of OSS projects would be in danger if
> that was
> > true, including
> > > Linux. I really don't think that this is a
> possibility
> that
> > should be
> > > considered by the NH team!
> >
> >
> > look at the (c) of the sourcecode. :) You
> quoted a
> > header of
> > Hibernate, the copyright is with RH, owner of JBoss.
> This
> > isn't done because
> > they like to own stuff, but because of that they
want
> to be
> > able to decide
> > what happens to the code.
> >
> > What I suggested, an NH foundation which owns
> the
> (c),
> > you don't
> > have the problems arising from 'owner controls what
> can be
> > done', the NH
> > foundation is in that case the owner.
> >
> >
> > > BTW, we're not safe from patents in the EU:
> > > http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/05/german-
> high-court- <http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/05/german-high-court->
> > declares-all-
> > > software.html
> >
> >
> > yeah, true. Though EU patent law overrules a
> german
> > judge (if I'm
> > told correctly!), although it's a troubling
> progression.
> > Software patents
> > will hurt us all bigtime.
> >
> > FB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Fabio Maulo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Fabio Maulo
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Fabio Maulo
>
>
>
>
> --
> Fabio Maulo
>
