> I'm already doing (doing mean exactly doing) some of those works where I
> think is the right place.
> - audit : talking with Simon and Roger and helping with some code
> - validation: working in NHibernate.Validator that has very few few things
> in common with Hibernate.validator
> - INotifyPropertyChange writing a post to demostrate how do the
integration
> having a little performance advantage in less then 50 code lines. I'm
> ignoring any other possible support.
> - security: I have asked explication and I'm still waiting
and I've answered. that you won't listen to what I've to say, that's
your problem really...
to recap: security at the entity and field level, e.g. who can read
/ write property X, who can read / write entity INSTANCE Y etc. this can be
done at the db level (rhino security?) but also at the property level in
memory with intercepting code which consults an 'authorizer' which is
injected into the entity. I don't know if that last bit exists for
NHibernate, if it does, it needs to emit code into the proxies, hence my
remark about it being something one would want to use WITH Nhibernate.
You keep on talking about NHibernate core, but that's not the point
of my argument: I'm arguing that the O/R mapping problem has been solved a
long time ago and when someone wants to use 'NHibernate' the whole scope of
features EXPECTED to be covered with 'using NHibernate' is bigger than the
core O/R mapping problem, i.e. NHibernate dll + contrib stuff + all kinds of
other features scattered all over the place in 3rd party libs.
> About fork NH: I have invited people to do it more than one time, after
> NH3.x we will move to Hg or Git and who want can do it even more easy.
IF I fork it, it won't be a private repository nor will it be aimed
at 'just an nh fork like many others'. But we'll see...
> To resume:
> I still waiting the definition of
> - NH "look like depends on the direction where the wind comes from"
Not sure where this out-of-context remark is coming from, but as you
don't answer/reply to my questions/remarks as well, why should I reply to a
remark which isn't 1) in context and 2) it's not even clear who said it and
when.
> - "professional toolkit" and why NH can't be defined a "professional
> toolkit" already
I gave you 'a' definition, do I have to rehash myself every time ?
Anyway, AGAIN: you asked for input, I gave some input. It's up to
YOU to do something with it. However instead of constructively use knowledge
from the O/R mapper field around you, you block everything out, and more
importantly, your fellow team members don't pick it up either.
Now, why don't you tunnel the energy you've invested in picking
apart my reply instead towards your teammembers who haven't come up with a
list of ideas for 'vNext' ?
FB
> - "security" what exactly mean for NH
>
> --
> Fabio Maulo
>
>
> El 18/10/2010, a las 10:59, Frans Bouma <[email protected]> escribió:
>
> >> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Petrov Peter
> >> <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >> I think Frans Bouma has unbelievable patience. We aren't far from
> > the
> >> time when Frans will say "enough is enough" and I fear it will soon
> >> stop following this dev group. It will be a loss for the NHibernate
> project.
> > With
> >> his attitude Fabio will force back other people too. For mr. Maulo
> >> it's
> > time
> >> to reconsider his attitude toward others and his sharp tone.
> >>
> >> Perhaps you can add some opinion about the initial post of the thread
> >> instead try to be "the paladin of justice".
> >> Frans can say that he want see auditing, validation,
> > INotifyPropertyChanged
> >> and security inside NH-core and I can write my opinion and ask for
> >> clarifications, then the decision is not mine but of the team.
> >
> > I wrote on Thursday:
> > "The examples I mentioned are not things you expect on the core O/R
> > mapper level, however they're all services which build on top of the
> > O/R mapper core and utilize it, which also means that if you use
> > NHibernate, and you want to use the features I mentioned, you need to
> > implement them somehow so they utilize NHibernate."
> >
> > Google groups link:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/nhibernate-development/msg/e91d2b8e8bd2
> > 02bd?h
> > l=en
> >
> > I never said it should be part of the core, as those aren't core NH
> > services. You have apparently no clue whatsoever I was talking about,
> > which explains your replies.
> >
> > Anyway, you have a narrow focus on where NH should go to, but you
> > don't realize that this focus only targets core O/R mapper
> > functionality, a problem solved years ago already, which means that
> > there's little to nothing to do in the future except re-inventing
> > wheels, like we see already with yet another xml / code based mapping
> system and yet another query system.
> >
> > IF I'll eventually say "Enough is enough", I'll fork NH and do what
I
> > explained here. But that takes time and I've to look into what it
> > brings me, compared to the effort to invest.
> >
> > FB
> >
