I feel your pain Jonathan, I was in a similar situation last week. I ended
up removing the mapped relationship and persisting the entities separately.
This was of course done in the same method as before. In my scenario however
I actually never needed to load the related end, I just put things the the
child collection that is later used for analysis and I don't give a rats ass
further than that.

Nothing is stopping you from doing something similar.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Jonathan Curtis <[email protected]
> wrote:

> I've tried mapping one end as inverse, it still results in the
> collection being loaded. To be clear, I want to add to the collection
> *without loading it* as the collection is large. The only way I have
> found that works is to introduce the mapping table as a class in the
> model, making both ends of the many-to-many inverse and explicitly
> saving the mapping table class.
>
> This is an ugly hack that I thought experienced NHibernate users might
> have a solution for.
>
> On Feb 23, 12:49 pm, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]> wrote:
> > http://nhforge.org/doc/nh/en/index.html#collections-bidirectional
> >
> > 2010/2/23 Jonathan Curtis <[email protected]>
> >
> >
> >
> > > Here are my mappings (which do not work):
> >
> > > EntityOne:
> >
> > > <bag cascade="all" name="EntityTwos" table="EntityOneToEntityTwo">
> > >    <key>
> > >        <column name="EntityOneId" />
> > >    </key>
> > >    <many-to-many class="NHibernateTest.EntityTwo, NHibernateTest,
> > > Version=1.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null">
> > >        <column name="EntityTwoId" />
> > >    </many-to-many>
> > > </bag>
> >
> > > EntityTwo:
> >
> > > <bag cascade="all" name="EntityOnes" table="EntityOneToEntityTwo">
> > >    <key>
> > >        <column name="EntityTwoId" />
> > >    </key>
> > >    <many-to-many class="NHibernateTest.EntityOne, NHibernateTest,
> > > Version=1.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null">
> > >        <column name="EntityOneId" />
> > >    </many-to-many>
> > > </bag>
> >
> > > Is this enough information?
> >
> > > On Feb 23, 3:06 am, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > I have a problem doing this
> > > > myEntity.OtherStuff.Remove(myOtherStuff)
> > > > I don't like NH behaviour when I execute that code.
> > > > Can you help me ?
> >
> > > > 2010/2/22 Jonathan Curtis <[email protected]>
> >
> > > > > I don't see how it is an abstract problem, I'm not doing anything
> > > > > special. I'm just asking what mappings I should use that will
> enable
> > > > > me to add to a many-to-many collection without that collection
> being
> > > > > loaded:
> >
> > > > > myEntity.OtherEntities.Add(myOtherEntity);
> >
> > > > > It seems like this should be a common scenario. I appreciate the
> help.
> > > > > I've tried various mapping, but all load up the collection. Is this
> > > > > possible?
> >
> > > > > On Feb 22, 11:38 pm, John Davidson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > Fabiois saying that dealing with an abstract problem is not going
> to
> > > find
> > > > > a
> > > > > > resolution, either positive or negative. If you have a proff-of
> > > concept
> > > > > show
> > > > > > the mappings used to the group, so that they can better help you.
> >
> > > > > > John Davidson
> >
> > > > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Jonathan Curtis <
> > > > > [email protected]
> >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Can you elaborate?
> >
> > > > > > > On Feb 22, 10:59 pm, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > mappings
> >
> > > > > > > > 2010/2/22 Jonathan Curtis <[email protected]>
> >
> > > > > > > > > We have a entity with a many-to-many collection mapped as a
> > > lazy
> > > > > > > > > loaded bag. When we load up the entity, the collection is
> not
> > > > > loaded -
> > > > > > > > > great. Now we want to add a new entity to that collection.
> As
> > > soon
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > we do this, the collection is loaded up.
> >
> > > > > > > > > How do we add the new entity without loading up the whole
> > > > > collection
> > > > > > > > > (the collection is large)?
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