Let's see, one item at a time.. Thank you HRM, you help make my case. Stanley, you do too. Preparation is crucial and you prove it. Pawn ? I thought I'd been called everything but a white man.. I'll add this.
--- On Sat, 10/11/08, stanley/ Randolph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: stanley/ Randolph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issue? To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 4:07 PM In agreement with your assertions, I would concur that most Honda parts are of the highest quality, even those made stateside (as in for cars, from my experience). But the batteries I have bought to replace the Yuasa OEM battery come with instructions similar to what you have written in the below communication. I personally have not had a problem with these less-than-par-compared-to-Yuasa. In fact, even the dealership at one time wasn't selling them due to the very high price: $110 plus tax, from them. Following the proper procedure, the battery I procured at the time performed well for the next five years that my then girlfriend owned her scooter - a Honda Elite. This was back in 1989; she sold it in 1994... As for the "Stealerships," it is the same all over. I went to Ford to purchase a plastic tip (original was cracked and broke off) for a fuel injector and they did not sell them separately. I would have had to have purchased the whole injector: $99.00. I found a kit at a partshouse for a mere six bucks containing all the parts I needed to repair the injector and re-seal it, the original seals being hard and unable to prevent a vacuum leak any more. Needless to say my customer - and friend - was happy I was able to save him all of that money. I don't think most of us "love to hate" dealerships. They serve various real advantageous purposes, one being the first to know when there is some defect that escaped the production line of the manufacturer, or maybe a company making various parts that the mfg out-sources. When I have an unusual problem that comes up repeatedly I ask a fellow tech at a dealership if there is anything coming down the pipeline about it and tell my customer if there is a recall or something, to take it to the dealership, where they will replace or repair it for free. I can remember when a tune-up on a Beetle was only $20.00 and that included plugs, distributor cap, rotor and condenser, and new valve cover gaskets after adjusting the valves. BTW the same starter for an auto-stick shift Beetle that sold for about $30.00 (reman) sold for $125 for a Porsche. Marketing, my man, marketing. A Lexus is still a Toyota. It just has a higher price tag. Same with Honda's Acura. Marketing... Corporate greed... You, my man, are but a pawn in their webs; a good man with a good heart, but a pawn... ----- Original Message ---- From: Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:49:46 PM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issue? OK, here goes. One time only for all to see what Honda has to say about all of this. (remember I'm one of those evil stealership people you all love to hate) The charging system is engineered around a certain set of parameters. The regulator/rectifier is set to decrease output when a predetermined battery voltage is reached. In the case of brand X batterys, this may never happen so the charging system will continue to run at high output. Over a long ride it WILL boil out the electrolete. Taken over a long time the whole system may fail due to running at such a high level. The OEM battery is a Japanese made Yuasa with a wing logo on it. This signifies the battery excedes the criteria agreed upon by Honda. A battery without the logo is good but not as. The standard is VERY high for those. The Yuasa batteries made here in the USA by Deca are not as good as the Japanese editions. Still better than any other. Now how this applies to anybody is seen in cases such as yours. The aftermarket battery may never achieve the the voltage level needed. Please do not plague me with the argument that all batteries are alike...BS. The preperation of a battery is crucial to this whole system. A battery must be filled and left to sit for at least a half hour and then charged for 45 minutes at 1/10 it's rated capacity before being put into service. Failure to do this results in a battery with only 80% of it's rated capacity and the inabilty to make the charging system perform at optimum. The battery is an essential component of the charging system and serves to complement the regulator. In short, yours does not. You cannot ever improve upon a battery that has been improperly prepared and put into service. Once the damage is done, it's done. Our facility does not sell any other brands of batteries. Just ain't fair, is it ? You have the responsibilty of your own bike, I have (effectively) the responsibilty of the several thousand that pass through our shop each year. Our reputation for customer satisfaction dictates that we use only the highest quality replacement parts... OEM. --- On Sat, 10/11/08, wayne crull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: wayne crull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issue? To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 12:59 PM I think it is a champion, new this year. On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Since I am roundly criticized about my electrical diagnosis, I'll limit my reply to one question; what brand of battery is that ? --- On Thu, 10/9/08, wayne crull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: wayne crull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Charging issue? To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 8:02 PM Hi all! I am having an issue, occasionally, with my 83 650. Two weeks ago I went on a long ride, 3 hours, with no problems. That was a Saturday, on Monday I went out to ride to work and heard only a grunt from the starter. The battery was low on water. Filled with distilled and plugged in my charger and drove the car to work. After work started right up and has each time (5) I have gotten on it since then. So any ideas what it could be? Thank you for your help and advice in advance. Wayne 83 CB650SC --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
