Good luck escaping this mess. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not too bad for NYC. IF you were getting what you paid for. first, the "seal" is the washer. It's an aluminum crush washer or a copper one. I've seen both used over time. The rest of the stuff is VERY suspect. I outlined the fix for that job (I've performed it MANY times) Helicoil the bolt hole and reinstall the headcover. BFD. It tears down in the frame and nothing has to be removed but the headcover. A decent tech should spend no more than 1.5hr to complete. Sounds like no work perfromed at all. Are these people really Honda dealers ? If yes, there is a number for customer service to intervene. If no, why did you go there ? All that aside, it's just another reason I didn't need to avoid the "city." >From what you're saying, I wouldn't allow them to do anything, especialy not get anymore money from you. (I'm also from the "speak English or GTFO" school) Sounds like the horror stories about movers also apply to services. FYI: there are very few techs working that weren't in diapers when that bike was new. The average career of an MC tech is only three years !
--- On Sat, 11/8/08, emile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: emile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Oil oozing out on my cooling fins....!!?? To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 7:03 PM $65 an hour...should have mentioned that I had to have her towed in too. They charged me $145 to load the bike into a truck and drive it 20 blocks. Nice work if you can get it. Still, the bolt drama continues: When I went to pick up the bike, oil was POURING out of the bolt...so I sent it back. Now they are telling me that there was a failed seal on the bolt...but looking at the diagram in the service manual there does not seem to be any seal at all for that bolt, just a washer. Whatever. They put some loctite or some silicone sealer or what have you on there and thought it would be easier to tell me there was a failed seal. But now, all of the sudden, they are saying that cylinder 3 is not firing, and my carbs, which were rebuilt 3 months ago, are flooding...it did sound weaker and quieter when I started it up outside the shop, but this could have also been due to the RAPID loss of oil pressure. They also said something about the air box not being connected, which sounds pretty suspect, as it was pretty obviously connected when I brought it in. They might have been trying to tell me that the manifold boots are now cracked someplace (Isreali shop where English is not the first language) and not sealing tightly on the carbs. I have to go in on Monday and see what's what for myself. They want to charge me $275 to replace the gaskets and O rings which seems fairly reasonable, but I still don't see how this will help the oil leak on the bolt, which was the main source of the leak. Moral of the story for noobs: do it your freaking self or find an articulate and patient mechanic who understands SOHC4's. (about as common as the Loch Ness monster in New York City apparently) On Nov 7, 1:13 am, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is the labor rate there ? That's really salty for that job. > > --- On Thu, 11/6/08, emile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: emile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Oil oozing out on my cooling fins....!!?? > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 2:10 PM > > So I finally got around to seeing what's what with this leaky bolt > yesterday...When I loosened the bolt to see what if the threads were > stripped, little pieces of threading from the inside came out with it. > I wasn't really down with urban guerrilla motorcycle repair having > tearing off the head cover and head on the street so I had to take her > in to the shop...$240 later I have new threads in the cylinder > cover...so basically, one bolt is going to cost me $240. If I had a > garage this would have been a challenge but probably doable...I am > very jealous of all you suburbanites and country peeps right now. I > even briefly toyed with the idea of moving to Queens just so I could > have a garage to work on my bike!! Oh well. the grass is always > greener I guess. > > On Oct 29, 9:09 pm, emile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Ok I know what you're talking about now... sadly they are $20 on > > bikebandit so I may have to wait a few weeks to do this as I have set > > up a motorcycle spending freeze for myself...the new mirrors and > > gloves I am buying tonight don't count! > > > On Oct 27, 11:56 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > NO, the whole perimeter of the head cover has one LONG O-ring. The > > sealing washer is just because it's at a point of HIGH oil pressure. (cam > bushing) Examine the parts breakdown to see what I'm describing. > > > > --- On Mon, 10/27/08, emile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > From: emile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Oil oozing out on my cooling > fins....!!?? > > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" > > <[email protected]>> > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 11:39 PM > > > > Thanks. She does clean up nice. ; ) So there's supposed to be an > O > > > Ring under the bolt? Pretty sure there is just a regular ol' > washer on > > > there now... Will have to check when she gets back from the tire > shop. > > > I think I'm going to add some loctite onto the bolt as well just > for > > > good luck. > > > > On Oct 27, 1:32 am, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote:> If that's your ride, it's very pretty. Great condition. The > bolt > > > > > > is holding down the head cover. Not a difficult repair. Is it > stripped ? If it > > > is, get it helicoiled. The seal is a formed O-ring and might even be > reused with > > > a thin coat of Hylomar. The location of the bolt is a point of high > oil pressure > > > and should not be dismissed. If the bolt hole is stripped, I'd > remove the > > > head cover and helicoil the hole and reseal the head cover. The cam > followers > > > are in the head cover and this job (R&R) is somewhat delicate to > perform. > > > The tach drive is a potential problem area as well. Done carefully, > it should > > > take about two hours for a novice to do. I suggest a good read of the > service > > > manual for it. (no Clymer, please)> As the cam followers and > > shafts are in the head cover, I have a > > > > modification that makes the engine quieter and extends service life. > Details of > > > that if you want. The OEM service manual is available in .PDF on-line > for free. > > > I'll look for the URL.> I can supply complete R&R > > instructions if you need them. I've done > > > > maybe 20~30 of them.> That was the last (and best) of the single > > cam 650's. The problems > > > > > > with throttle reponse had been solved with CV carbs and they are very > pleasent > > > and smooth but nowhere near the performance of the next generation > fours. I > > > liked mine, rode it for two years. > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/26/08, emile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > From: emile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Oil oozing out on my cooling > fins....!!?? > > > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" > > > > <[email protected]>> Date: Sunday, October > 26, 2008, 2:58 AM > > > > > It only has a little over 8k miles...here's the > "bolt" I was > > > > talking > > > > about: > > > > > <img > > src="http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm118/egl204/leak.jpg";> > > > > > > > As far as the severity of the leak goes, I would say maybe about > half > > > > a teaspoon a day. > > > > > On Oct 26, 12:41 am, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:> > > > > Take a picture of this "bolt' or indicate the part number on > a > > > > > diagram (include URL) The '82 650 is an interesting bike, I > had one > > > and have > > > > many fixes for them. Serious oil leaks DO require extensive > work. Any leak > > > at > > > > the head gasket, replace. One nice thing, it tears down in the > frame > > > without > > > > removing it. How many miles ? > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, emile > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > From: emile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Oil oozing out on my cooling > fins....!!?? > > > > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 8:15 PM > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > So I do realize that my question will read to some like > "how do > > > I > > > > > speak Latin?" but the oil leak on my 82 650 has > seemingly gotten > > > > > worse, and there seems to be smoke rising up in front of my > headlight > > > > > every once in a while now, so I figured I would give it a > shot and > > > > > hopefully save myself some painful/complicated repairs down > the road. > > > > > > So, that being said, here goes: my bike is leaking oil > from the > > > > > exposed nut on the top right side of my engine. I've > also noticed > > > oil > > > > > in between the cooling fins on both sides of the engine. > Does anyone > > > > > know how I can theoretically diagnose and perhaps even fix > this leak? > > > > > I tried tightening the bolt, as it was a bit loose, but > this has not > > > > > seemed to help, and the leak persists. Any ideas? Where do > I start? > > > > > Clymer seems to be silent on this... --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
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