I already posted the "how to test drive linux" instructions yesterday and got called a nerd for my efforts ;)
-Kyle -getting my geek on On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:37 PM, stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]>wrote: > There are water injection systems for about any budget, including ones that > tie into the car's CPU. I made a wet air chamber that operates off a vacuum > line and puts wet air into the intake manifold. Only problem is, it > doesn't do its peak volume at idle because it relies on vacuum from > the manifold. Hey - it was real cheap to make, and does help with > consumption at idle and at lower steady throttle positions. > Why do you > *THINK* > they aren't more widely used??? The oil barons would lose a great > amount of their income!!! I mean, water injection would double your > mileage, keep the engine cleaner, and therefore last longer, and therefore > you wouldn't be buying a new car as often. And parts to help maintain it. > I say all of the above together because those with more knowledge than I > have proven that the oil barons also control the automotive industry ergo > the consumption of the fuel they sell and also the pharmaceutical industry, > hence the detection of petroleum in the pills you may take to "get well. " > Actually, theallopath/pharmacoepea mantra is treat the symptons not the > disease. > Were I to have listened to doctors and surgeons, I would be without a > prostate today... > What did I use? Lemon and apple juice. > But that's because I caught it early. IF it had already become malignant, > there are other alternatives to the deadly chemotherapy the allopathic > community uses - and then you still die; *but*, they have already > transferred your *wealth* first. > The fact is, you can probably get an injection system that performs well > with your car'sinjection system and computer for about $350. I would be > able to get by with a much cheaper one on a Beetle. > As for the Nighthawk, it has optimum efficiency displacement - about just > under 188cc per cylinder. It would perform a little better with mid grade, > or with Shell or some other premium fuel refiner's low to mid > grade mentioned before. There is a size beyond which any larger > displacement is a waste, becasuse the engine can't burn all of the charge in > the chamber. Any smaller, and too much of the power it generates is lost in > the mechanical conversion to motion within the engine. > Maybe you can 'splain Linux to me some time and how to switch from MS > Windows some time. > > > *Stanley* > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Javier Garcia <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:20:12 PM > > *Subject:* [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Gasoline, octane and oil > > > Stanley, > > thank you for taking the time to explain all these things. With what you > said and a couple of pages from wikipedia I think I understand much better > now. Perhaps the source of my confusion was that I had the wrong idea about > the compression ratio and the octane measure (actually, kyle clarify the > octane for me). But now, in the specific case of the Nighthawk 750, > according to the specifications the CR is 9.3:1 ( > http://hondanighthawks.net/750.htm)..<http://hondanighthawks.net/750.htm%29..>.. > doesn't seems that low to be using regular gasoline. Taking your numbers as > examples, Low CR=7.9:1 and High CR=10.5:1 or more. > > If the water injectiong works that well, why I don't see everyone doing it? > it is hard to implement? It sounds like a really good idea. > Javier. > > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Gene Henry <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The water injection system sounds great. How can I get it on my M/C >> and/or car? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:12 AM >> *Subject:* [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Gasoline, octane and oil >> >> The higher the compression ratio, the more likely you need higher octane >> fuel. You can *overcome* that neccessity with water injection, however, >> which lowers the temprature and at the same time makes a more complete burn >> because the fuel droplets surround the water droplets, being lighter; and >> when they burn, the water absorbs some of the energy and becomes steam very >> rapidly which makes the remaining unburned fuel droplets even smaller, so >> they burn faster and the burn completes before the flamewall gets to the top >> of the piston and through it, theoreticallyTo understand more clearly, >> picture a log. It takes it a loong time to burn, like overnight, for >> instance, in a Jotul stove. Now picture some wood shavings. They are not >> only easier to ignite, they burn quite fast by comparison. >> The gasoline gets "atomized" either by a carburetor or fuel injectors. >> The finer the droplets, the better the burn. >> Weber makes fine carbs that will cause the fuel to extract more power out >> of the same engine because the fuel comes out in such a fine mist. >> Sometimes it is so much more power that it is noticeable when you hit the >> gas. The engine will use less fuel, also, because more of what it gets, >> gets burned before the exhaust valve begins to open. >> Beetle engines came from the factory with about a 7.9:1 C/R. They can use >> 87 octane. >> If I were to up that compression in my engine to 10.5 or more, I would >> either have to use premium or add water injection. I choose the latter >> because I get more performance and nearly double my mileage from about 31 - >> 32 to about 58, give or take; plus, the engine stays cleaner; and unless you >> add an aftermarket filter on a Beetle, that's important, because they have >> no filter and I used to change my oil every 1500 miles. That wasn't so >> expensive, because Beetles only use 3 qts. of oil. Just a little more than >> a Nighthawk.. >> Actually, what Kyle said below is essentially the same thing; I didn't >> notice he wrote it after you asked the question (lol). >> And Kyle - I know of a chap who replaced the pistons in his Ford Focus >> with hi comp - 12.7s - and added water injection. That's all he did, and it >> increased his power (don't know how much, but a lot; no dyno) and his >> mileage went from 25 mpg to 50. This, on regular 87 gas. >> Kinda like NOS without the risk of blowin' yer engine... >> >> >> *Stanley* >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Javier Garcia <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:31:00 AM >> *Subject:* [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Gasoline, octane and oil >> >> >> Stanley, I'm a little bit confused... in your first message it seems to me >> you don't agree in using high octane gasoline... in the second, you talked >> about engines damages due to the use of low octane gasoline... can clarify? >> I'm not really an expert, so I get lost very easily. >> Thanks, Javier. >> >> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Kyle Munz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I used to run into the same problem with my turbo cars. The higher the >>> boost the higher the octane rating you needed since it effectively ups the >>> compression. Most ppl understand octane meanings backwards. It actually >>> means it's less likely to ignite, which is good if you're running high >>> compression, or high boost. With higher gas prices I understand people >>> wanting to put the cheap stuff in, but like Stanley says, newer cars will >>> retard the timing when they detect knock, which means they burn more fuel >>> anyways, so you didn't save as much money as you would have liked. One of >>> the benefits of ethanol is a very high octane rating, so you could run >>> really high compression or really high boost, and thus get more power, >>> however this just isn't feasible for road cars now matter how much the corn >>> lobby thinks it is. Long and short of it is, just put in what the >>> manufacturer suggests, if the engine was designed for lower octane then put >>> that in the tank. If you want to put "the good stuff" in your tank, then go >>> to a name brand station, such as chevron/texaco, exxon/mobile, or shell and >>> stay away from the discount dealers. This applies no matter what octane you >>> decide to buy. >>> >>> -Kyle >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM, stanley/ Randolph <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> If you know the research about octane and flamewalls and compression >>>> ratios, you would have a different attitude about that. Low octane fuel >>>> will demolish a high comp engine. I have taken apart Porsche engines they >>>> were putting in Beetle vans, with the rings all cracked and melted into >>>> their landings from using low octane for their compression ratio. And this >>>> despite the *decal by the gas tank* stating a minimum of 92 octane!!! >>>> This engine was still running, but I have seen engines with holes in the >>>> heads, the pistons, one which was ruined beyond repair with the hole >>>> outside >>>> of the valve insert. It is not good if you use low octane in a high comp >>>> engine. The flame wall is meeting the piston as it comes up, and when the >>>> heated wall of fire hits the piston and you *hear* the knock, back off, >>>> or you *will* ruin your engine. >>>> The engines today have knock sensors sending data to the computer to >>>> retard the timing when the flamewall gets too close to the piston crown. >>>> When timing was only a mechanically actuated centrifugal advance, one >>>> couldn't actually retard it, so the only thing one could do is back off the >>>> gas, or go around with permanently retarded timing, which defeats the >>>> purpose of higher compression: greater engine efficiency and/or more power. >>>> An old wrench gave me an engine for taking it out of this van he bought >>>> cheap and that's what I found when I took it apart. Happy to say, though, >>>> bottom end was excellent. Nice thing about those engines - is it was not >>>> too expensive to replace those pistons and cylinders. I had me a new >>>> engine >>>> for the labor and $80.00 for new set of P&C and a valve job with new >>>> exhaust >>>> valves. Gasket set was the second most expensive item: $29.00; for regular >>>> Beetle engines the gasket set was only $4.00, and a new set of P&C was less >>>> than $40.00 for Brazilian Cima/Mahles or a Jap brand name escapes me), both >>>> of which were close to German quality. >>>> The only safe thing to do when rebuilding the Porsche engines is to >>>> lower the C/R, because people think, it's just a VW (van/microbus). It >>>> doesn't really need premium gas. >>>> Until, of course, it's usually too late... >>>> >>>> *Stanley* >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Creative Residential Designs <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:37:45 AM >>>> *Subject:* [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Gasoline, octane and oil >>>> >>>> Try telling that to my '69 GTO, Dick. It will NOT run on anything >>>> else...period. It doesn't care what you or I think about premium gas, it >>>> will ping and knock and carry on until I feed it the best gas there is. >>>> (Texaco or Shell premium ONLY). >>>> I just read a study on gas on the 'net as well. Interesting how abrasive >>>> low-end fuels are to an engine. I'll try and locate it again. Apparently >>>> it's one of those "you are what you eat" situations. HotrodMamma. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Dick MacInnes <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2009 9:10 PM >>>> *Subject:* [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Gasoline, octane and oil >>>> >>>> The only place to get the proper service Manuel is Helm. Inc >>>> And premium gasoline is a waste of money, I don't care what anyone has >>>> told you. >>>> >>>> Dick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
