My bike's been running a bit off for sometime now.   A year ago, when I
first got it, I took it into the local shop and asked them to change all the
fluids, give it a tune-up and to balance the carburetor vacuums against each
other. 

When I got it back, they told me that they'd found junk in my carb bowls and
that they were pretty sure I had a problem with rust in my tank.  They
wanted something like $700 to sort it out.  Yow.   I said, "No thanks."  I
hadn't dealt with these particular folks before so I didn't know if they
were looking at me as a cash cow customer or if they were telling me the
straight stuff.   

The bike did run better when I got it back from them but it still wasn't
exactly right.  I knew this because in addition to this '86, I've also got
an '85 700SC and it runs like a German clock so I can tell the difference.

About the time I got the bike back, Seafoam came up in conversation on this
group and I went down and got some and ran it through my bike.   It seemed
to help.

Well, it's been a year now that I've been riding the '86 since I got it back
from the shop.  As I said, it runs OK but not perfect.   To me, it always
feels like my carbs are not balanced against each other and so when I'm
running along without much throttle, it feels like some cylinders are firing
solidly and others are weaker as if they're not getting as much gas.

About the potential rust problem, I thought that if the guys at the shop
were right and I did have a problem, then sooner of later it would come back
and the bike would get worse.

Well, about three weeks ago, it did get worse.  It seemed like one or two
cylinders weren't hitting at all.   I put more Seafoam in it and ran it but
it didn't seem to get better so I decided it was time to dig into the
problem.

I've got a copy of the Honda Shop Manual for the 84-86 CB700SC series.
Today, I pulled off the gas tank and pulled my four carbs out as a unit
following the instructions in the manual.   There were a couple of parts
that were a bit confusing but in the end it all came out OK.

So, I'm going to empty my tank and then swab around in the bottom and see if
I turn up any rust.

I'm going to take apart the gas valve and diaphragm and see if they look OK
and I'm going to have a look at the fuel strainer and see if I find any rust
there.   

I noted when I took the small vacuum hose off the gas valve, that it didn't
have a ring clamp on it and the end of the hose was partially split.   That
made me wonder if maybe insufficient vacuum was getting to the fuel valve
diaphragm and perhaps limiting the amount of fuel delivered?   

I'm also going to check the carbs themselves out.  Following what the manual
indicates, I'm going to check out all the stuff I can check out with the
four carbs still ganged together.  Vacuum chamber, float chamber, float
levels, jets, etc.

Talking about working on the carbs brings me to my real questions here.   

I have a vague memory from reading along on this group that someone (was it
you, Dennis H?) said that it is unwise to pull the rack of carbs all apart
unless you have a good reason for doing so.

But I'm thinking that if I find any grit in the fuel strainer or in the carb
bowls, I'll need to pull them apart so I can get in and blow all the
internal holes out with compressed air.   Does that make sense or can I do
that with them still ganged?

The other thing I'm wondering about is do I need to buy carb rebuilding kits
or not?   I just looked on EBay and I saw a kit for the 700SC for $29.
http://tinyurl.com/oyyknv 

For four carbs, that's $116 plus shipping.   Money's tight here now and I'm
wondering if these are essential or just nice to have.  What do folks who've
rebuilt their carbs think about this?  Am I foolish to not buy and use a
rebuilding kits?

Any and all advice will be much appreciated.  I've got a sheet over the
engine and the four carbs sitting on my bench and I'm ready to wade into
what ever's next.

Thanks!

Dennis Gallagher
- Seattle
- '86 CB700SC


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