Viggy - yeah, but it (headset) was only a suggestion. But I have one and you can still hear the noises, only not so loud that your ears ring... Superiority complex aside, Hash slinger, you will find that people overall will shy away from noise and will tolerate a certain amount of rumble from a bike exhaust, because it does proclaim the presence and most people would rather not hit somoene on a bike. I feel that it is an unspoken understanding that we who ride without a cage are more at risk of injury than those who do and therefore tolerate a certain amount of noise to announce our presence. Jussstttt so it isn't so blaringly loud that it is an annoyance in the house in the AM, or at night, when one is usually in peaceful repose... And as for people in general, you, Hasslinger, are wrong: people who want quiet are likely to purchase Beemers; and that is nowhere near the majority of those who purchase cars. What is more, they are likely to want the handling and quiet at speeds way in excess of the limits in the U.S. Aldo, my man, you are quite fortunate; maybe it wasn't your time; but then, I have to ask: how long have you been riding bikes? I am sure some experience and skill had to help. You are not alone in thinking oh, sh-- my poor bike. I have heard that reaction from many people. My ex GF had a Honda Elite, and a smaller one before that. Someone ran a stop sign and hit her as she went through an intersection (had stopped, but didn't see her, so proceeded: scooter was TOO QUIET???)when she picked herself up, all she could do was bitch the person out about her "poor scooter. " It was all banged up. She was also, BTW, but that didn't matter; she laughed about it in recalling the incident to me. Every little bit helps us to be noticed. I saw, on several occasions, this chap driving down one of our dangerous main drags on his crotch rocket, on one wheel. I estimated his speed as being in excess of 70mph. Not only was he small in size, he was on one wheel, so not much was showing, and he was going way too fast for the amount of traffic, and his headlight was shining up at the sky. I commented, that guy is asking to kill himself... I don't know if it was he, but I suspect that he was the one who was going down the road on one wheel, when an elderly couple entered from a side street, not seeing him, and he hit the car at the back window at speed on the one wheel. It demolished the bike and cut him in half. I am glad I didn't see that one and I feel for the old couple who didn't see him coming, to have experienced someone cut in half by their car. I used to love popping wheelies, but I never did them on a busy street and it was usually in a parking lot. BTW - I noticed in the vids of the Gold Wing wheelie, he set it down rather gently...
________________________________ From: Javier Garcia <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:28:28 AM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Loud V&H exhaust: options? I agree with Aldo, people on the cell phones are special killers... not because of the phones, but mainly cause they are morons that can't walk and chew gum at the same time! J. On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Mark Hasslinger <[email protected]> wrote: shiny new BMW's are sealed off from the outside noise to such an extent you lound pipes will penatrate the sound barriers built into the car. That's why ppl buys these cars, for the quite, ask the John Power's Design Institue. The ability to keep the outside noise OUT is one of the top three priorities ppl want in their cars. YOUR WRONG AGAIN. you'll only piss off your neighbors. Oh ya! I'm very familiar with the streets and freeways in L.A. and all of Calif., lived there half of my adult life. Still have a home there in Holmby Hills. You drive in my neighborhood with lound pipes and you'll get a ticket. --- On Sat, 6/27/09, Aldo <[email protected]> wrote: From: Aldo <[email protected]> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Loud V&H exhaust: options? To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 2:18 AM I disagree, here in Los Angeles (and probably other big congested cities) it helps to be making some noise particularly on the freeway. I had stock pipes on my CB750 and they were very quiet (probably the quietist bike I have ever owned) which is nice but… I found myself dodging cars left and right on the freeway… At least in my town people always drive like they are in a hurry on their cell phones and don’t seem to pay much attention to what is behind or next to them unless it is loud has strobes, siren or an air horn. I actually got hit by a lady on the 405 freeway coming back from the bike’s photo shoot for Verizon. The lady didn’t see or hear me as I was passing along side of her (so she says) and she turned right into me at about 65 mph. The first thing that hit her car was the mirror and brake lever which came back with enough force to bruise my fingers and the impact on the handlebar turned the wheel and the bike lunged up the side of her shiny new BMW. The front than bounced off of her car and I had some brief wobbles but thanks to the long wheelbase was able to hold on and slow down for impact number 2 which luckily by that time was only at about 15 mph and though I am not quite sure I think my fingers got smashed for a second time and I almost dropped the bike but was able to lift it with my crazy adrenaline. Maybe I am warped but in the moment aside from OH #$%* I remember thinking at least the bike made it to a photo shoot!!!! Shouldn’t my life have been flashing before my eyes??? The damage was minimal to my baby… just bent the mirror, handlebar and scuffed the fork. I bent the mirror back on the spot and had the lady buy me a new set of handlebars. I let the scuff slide just because you could hardly notice it and it’s a battle scar. Her car had a bike print in the side. J That was in January and after that I installed a V&H 4into1 for performance and most people seem to be aware of me on the road now… I try to stay where they can see me but when I need to make a pass they can hear me buzzing which makes them a bit more cautious I’d say. When I get home I just keep it low and slow and I never get any complaints from the neighborhood. The bike is looking pretty as ever just got back from a lovely ride as a matter of fact. Peace & grease! ~Aldo ________________________________ From:[email protected] [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Mark Hasslinger Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Loud V&H exhaust: options? Wrong! no amount of noise is any deterant to unsafe drivers. the noise only serves to upset the general population and will result in laws against anything but stock mufflers. the pressure is mounting in all the small towns i ride thru, many have now posted signs at the outskirts of town cautioning against said noise. your only working against your interest by having loud exhaust. better get yourself educated! --- On Fri, 6/26/09, MrViggy <[email protected]> wrote: From: MrViggy <[email protected]> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Loud V&H exhaust: options? To: [email protected] Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 10:25 AM I would think that a noise canceling headset would be dangerous in it's own right. It would be much harder to hear sirens on emergency vehicles. Viggy On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:17 AM, stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> wrote: A certain amount of noise from the exhaust is a safety thing. People may not see you, but they certainly hear you and that is a good thing, as they will tend to be more respectful of the noise than a light or the actual machine. I don't care for noisy exhaust, but on a bike, the helmet can reduce it enough; if not, it may be too loud, or not. Maybe add extra padding; or a noise canceling headset? Stanley ________________________________ From:Marco <[email protected]> To:Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> Sent:Friday, June 26, 2009 6:50:30 AM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Loud V&H exhaust: options? As I recall the safety thing is an urban legend at best, a total non- starter at worst. After all, sound is directional; alerting the people (and deer) that you've already passed to your presence is not exactly useful. The horn's mounted on the front for a reason :) I see deer around me all the time; they aren't spooked by my un- baffled exhaust. They are only sometimes spooked by flashing high beams. The horn is only slightly more effective. Literally, the little bastards just stand in the middle of the street. Presumably the deer population survival strategy is to breed like mad and accept high road losses. "Like the sound" is entirely different. I like to hear that my engine's running smoothly, too. (After all, it's a contrast to all the H-D's around which have that "slightly out of tune" note - sharp-flat sharp-flat sharp-flat). We all make a deal with the devil with respect to how loud, how early, and how often. Anyhow, I was talking to an online retailer who found some replacement V&H megaphone baffles for me; I'm going to order two, see if they fit in my stock exhaust, and if not simply replace the single one on my V& H street megaphone. Will report back with the results. Ciao, Marco On Jun 25, 6:16 pm, Music and Nighthawk Nut <[email protected]> wrote: > I tote a gun, but have never used the whistles. I just want loud > exhaust cause I like how it sounds and also so people can hear you > before they see you, kinda a safety thing. </table Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.92/2203 - Release Date: 06/26/09 05:53:00 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
