I was sure this part of the argument would follow the first. It's the escape 
hatch from commitment. The reasoning point to avoidance. Your belief in the 
non-violent Muslims seems founded in observations of secular ones. I suggest a 
reading of their holy book. I was right, you are a gentle soul. So much so that 
you fail to grasp the nature of evil. Two simple statements come to mind, both 
profound in simplicity. To a benevolent; "you're doin' the Lord's own work" And 
in defense of a bad deed "the devil made me do it'  We can be the instruments 
of either. We need not see them to recognize who's hand was at work. 
I may be a bit too simple for some but I know that to accept one is to 
acknowledge the other. The bleating of "can't we just all get along in peace" 
is to reject the concept of evil. I read recently that those who beat their 
weapons into plow shares will be ruled by those who didn't.  




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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 11:58:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Sticking floats

I dated a girl once who said it (what i feel is) best... Religion is alot like 
a potato chip, it is processed added to, parts removed and neatly packaged... 
Where spiretuality is much more like the potato, it is whole, wholesome, 
natural, and full of potental.... I have always felt that home made chips and 
fries were so much better then what comes from the store...

But to my point... A true muslum wouldent send me to my maker (i personaly dont 
believe in heven or hell ither... Reincarnation baby) it is the radicals that 
push things past where they should.... A simple question.... How many people 
have been killed or wars started "in the name of god"...  in the bible (no i 
dont know what version so i wont quote numbers) there are some thousands of 
people killed "in the name of god"... How many were killed by saitan??? If i 
rember correctly only a few.....


Im am sorry if i have offended anybody, i do not wish to bash anybodys 
beliefs.... Just to mabey get people to ask why they believe what they do...

Thank you
paul
-----Original Message-----
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:11:53 pm
To: [email protected]
From: "Dennis Hammerl" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Sticking floats

Ahhhh... How many times I've heard this argument presented. I'll give you 
credit for being a gentle soul. You must pass on to get the answer. Before 
that, you would do well to avail yourself of grace in this life. Your point may 
be posed to a Muslim and for your indecision, you may get your answer much 
sooner than expected. The author of confusion is well known. Take a stand and 
believe in something or fall for anything. Jesus knew that religion would serve 
to divide. You give evidence of this. 




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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 10:45:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Sticking floats

My personal view... Yes being religious and being spirtual are completly 
diffrent.... While i see my self as very spritual, i do not relate with the 
religious title... What alot of christians (and im not saying anybody in this 
fourm... Just my lifes observation) forget is that christianity is not as old 
as they want to believe... Jesus was a jew... I personaly believe that jesus 
was a good man... He did many good acts, and mabey got lucky with a few things 
(ie curing blindness with mud).... He held the title of rabi (meaning 
teacher... In the old custom it had little to do with religion) and has taught 
the world many things even after his death.... What i dont believe is that he 
was the son of god... The stories have been passed along for well over 2,000 
years, and has to mavy versions to discuss here... Each slightly diffrent... If 
the bible is the word of god what version is right??? And with that if a 
version was right why is it a version not just THE
BIBLE??



-----Original Message-----
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:30:37 pm
To: [email protected]
From: "Dennis Hammerl" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Sticking floats

Religion / religious is quite separate from spiritual / and or believing. Your 
observation of Jesus is accurate. 
Where's our host Paul in all this ?




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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 12:02:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Sticking floats

I am a Christian, but not religious. I don't think Jesus was religious either.  
So we maybe OK. 

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From:  stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> 
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:03:47 -0700 (PDT)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Sticking floats

Very true; but so was King David.  The proof of God's forgiveness is in David's 
confession that he was truly sorry for both the adultery and the murder of the 
woman's husband.  Still, someone had to die for it.  I think Absalom was the 
one...
I would hardly call it fuzzy as Paul called it an abomination, and also other 
writers of scripture called it unnatural affection.
Fact is, if we were all gay there wou

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