hi folks got badly stung for the gasket sets for the carbs which cost 50? each it included the little rubber rings but still i thought it was a bit steep that makes it about well over 60 $ a piece surely they can be had for less its the nh sc650 model they are for what do u guys pay in the states for such items and where do u buy htem they have like this clearing house in holland where u can get anything i was checking it out and they are selling new tanks and they cost like over 700$ is this the real life or just pure fantasy as freddie mercury one sang?
[email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 11:03 AM To: Digest Recipients Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Digest for [email protected] - 20 Messages in 7 Topics Today's Topic Summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers/topics a.. no oil pressure [1 Update] b.. Intro and plug wire spec Q [3 Updates] c.. Help! Electrical Shutdown [4 Updates] d.. Great deal if you have the cash [8 Updates] e.. mirrors [2 Updates] f.. Marker light 1985 Honda Nighthawk 450 [1 Update] g.. drive shaft torque lift? [1 Update] Topic: no oil pressure SaturnKnts <[email protected]> Jun 05 10:30PM -0700 ^ new owner of an '83 nh. did not see anything wrong with the oil light before bringing home. the previous owner said there was never any problem with the light staying on. since we've gotten it here i started doing small things like drain the overflow tube and decided to change the oil. the light was on before changing the oil. there is a clicking noise in the lower part on the right side but after reading many posts i think this might be the cam slack. so back to my issue. after doing the change i ran it for like 3-4 minutes, still oil light on. i realized i had forgotten to put the washer on the oil filter, pulled the filter cover off ane there was no oil to be found in there. two places locally swear they have never heard of a pump failing on these. guess only option is to pull the pan off(yeah for no replacement gasket, guess i get to learn to seal with permtex?) and see whats going on down there. maybe the chain has let go to the pump? just wondered if anyone had experiences with any of this. thanks for any advice in advance. tim Topic: Intro and plug wire spec Q Dom <[email protected]> Jun 05 02:44PM -0700 ^ Hello all. I just joined the group. I started riding at the age of 46 in 2007. My first (and current) bike is a 1985 NH 650SC with 9,400 original miles. I got it from the original owner in 2007 with 6,500 miles. It's all original except for a broken mirror I had to replace and the hand grips. All I had to do until now was give it fresh brakes and rubber. I posted a few pics. This year I decided to change the original factory wires for some new ones. I purchased (4) NGK SD05F plug caps and some raw Nakaya 7mm copper core 19 strand wire at a local bike shop. After swapping the wires the bike would no longer idle even if I turned up the idle screw. It starts fine and if I keep a quarter inch of choke on it will idle, but if I bring the choke all the way down it will not stay idle. I removed all the wires and checked both connections well. The caps are screwed in tightly and the end that sets into the coil looks centered and at least looks like a good connection. After messing with the new wires for a while with no luck I decided to reinstall the old wires. It runs fine now. My question is this, aside from a possible bad connection in one of the hand made wires, could the spec of the new caps and wires require that something else be tuned in order for them to work right? The caps are 5k resistor caps. Should this set work? I would imagine the characteristics on new parts are different than the original ones aren't they? Or, is it more likely that even though the connections on the new wires look good and tight, there's one that's not complete? The stranded wire core worries me a bit. I would imagine it won't take much to NOT have a complete connection. Thanks for your help. Dom Dom <[email protected]> Jun 05 07:26PM -0700 ^ I just spent some time metering the wires. Measured from the cap screw to the other end of the wires I got: 4.69K, 4.75K, 4.88K and 5.37 K. I then removed the wires and checked each cap and they measured the same. I'm in the computer biz and in the circuit board world 680 ohms of variation, more than 10% low to high in this case, can be a killer depending on the circuit. 370 ohms is also more than 5% variation by itself on the one cap. Don't know how bikes tolerate this variation. Also, when I unscrewed the caps I realized that I over tightened them. When I unscrewed them, bits of wire came out. Not good. I think I'll get the one cap replaced and try again using less force to screw the caps on. Hopefully I'm on to something. Dom Stumpi <[email protected]> Jun 05 09:40PM -0700 ^ Jeese that's going to be a fun one to diagnose. From your description it's probably losing spark at lower rpms. I'd confirm this first by running one boot at a time with a spare plug in it leaned against the block and seeing if the spark doesn't die out or get weak (yellow) on one or more cylinders at low rpms. Once that's been determined WHY! is the the four letter word of choice (ok four characters). Normally I'd suspect the coils at first simply because in most of my engine experience that most common point of failure. However since the old wires work fine when reinstalled the coils can probably be called good. This leaves the coil supply or the triggering mechanism somehow being affected by different, possible higher resistance plug wires. I believe your bike uses a CDI for spark triggering which very rarely is the cause of spark problems so we'll set that aside for now. You seem to think there was a short in one of the wires due to the cap being over tightened, which is a definite possibility. Let us know how that works out. The supply to the coils. These bikes (and many Hondas of this era) are noted for their weak charging system. They will actually discharge the battery when running below about 3500rpm. Another factor is that these bikes are setup with a dual waste spark system. Meaning that anytime one of the coils fires both plugs attached to that coil fire. What might be happening is that due to a weak battery and wires or different resistances between the wires the coil is only firing one plug. It would idle very rough with lots of popping if it's doing this. If it idles smoothly with 1\4 choke as you mention I'd bet it's getting spark but it's very weak and cannot ignite the lean mixture these carbs put out. If your battery is more than 1-2 years old I'd try replacing it and see what that does. You could also put the battery on a charge box set to start and see if it will idle normally that way. This is a shot in the dark without further information\testing but is something to consider. Topic: Help! Electrical Shutdown "the Bargers" <[email protected]> Jun 05 05:41PM -0400 ^ My 03 750 shutdown while I was riding home. Fortunately, it's close enough for me to push it back. I had been riding for about 30 minutes with no problems. It's hot as Hades in Atlanta today -could that have been a factor or is it likely just a fuse? It's got 8k and I've been riding it regularly for the 7 months I've owned it and have never had any issues with the bike. When I turn on the ignition switch nothing happens. Any thoughts?? Thanks, Barge Joey Kelley <[email protected]> Jun 05 05:46PM -0400 ^ Barge, Start with the easy stuff - go buy some fuses and replace them all - cheap insurance. If one of the ones you put in blows instantly - you've got a short somewhere. -Joey -- -Joey Kelley Need Computer Technical support? http://www.crossloop.com/JoeyKelleyComputerServices At your service - via remote control! Kyle Munz <[email protected]> Jun 05 09:22PM -0300 ^ It doesn't matter how cool your bike looks, if you're pushing it home you both look sad. I had to push mine a mile home once and it turned out to be a fuse. It wasn't blown it was just old fell apart. I agree with joey, start with the simple stuff. -Kyle "the Bargers" <[email protected]> Jun 05 10:19PM -0400 ^ Thanks fellas, Barge ----- Original Message ----- From: Kyle Munz To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Help! Electrical Shutdown It doesn't matter how cool your bike looks, if you're pushing it home you both look sad. I had to push mine a mile home once and it turned out to be a fuse. It wasn't blown it was just old fell apart. I agree with joey, start with the simple stuff. -Kyle On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Joey Kelley <[email protected]> wrote: Barge, Start with the easy stuff - go buy some fuses and replace them all - cheap insurance. If one of the ones you put in blows instantly - you've got a short somewhere. -Joey > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. -- -Joey Kelley Need Computer Technical support? http://www.crossloop.com/JoeyKelleyComputerServices At your service - via remote control! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. Topic: Great deal if you have the cash "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Jun 05 04:04AM -0700 ^ I pulled 280 yesterday... And i was ready for the last 40 to make it home, but she (the fiancee) wasent and she wasent on the bike for 240 of the ride... -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, June 04, 2010 5:45:53 pm To: [email protected] From: "Joey Kelley" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Great deal if you have the cash I'm sure that Graham could probably stomach two, maybe three hundred miles a day. Graham? -Joey > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. -- -Joey Kelley Need Computer Technical support? http://www.crossloop.com/JoeyKelleyComputerServices At your service - via remote control! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. Joey Kelley <[email protected]> Jun 05 06:52PM -0400 ^ Simple solution - get her her own bike! Just a thought :-) -Joey On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 7:04 AM, [email protected] paul annen <[email protected]> Jun 05 07:02PM -0400 ^ after she dumped the aprilla scooter last year its all i can do is get her to ride on the back... she was doing 30, no helmet.. broke her collar bone, road rash from head to toe, subdural hemotoma (bleeding in the brain), a week in the hospital, and a month out of work............. cant blame her, but i do wish she would ride by her self again Joey Kelley <[email protected]> Jun 05 08:09PM -0400 ^ Well, you know what they say about Falling Off The Horse. I made the mistake a few times of going out without proper riding gear - no longer. If I have shorts - I put on chaps - otherwise its at least some form of long pants - always gloves - I think I've ridden a total of five miles without a helmet, most of that in driveways. Oh, and a heavy leather jacket. -Joey paul annen <[email protected]> Jun 05 08:21PM -0400 ^ absouloutly.... heavy leather, jeans, boots and helmets are standard riding gear now... gloves in florida just dont work in the summer... and i used to prefer a full helmet, but now with the windscreen on the wing i just cant get enough air on me, so i have a 1/2... and she has always preferred the 1/2 to the fulls Kyle Munz <[email protected]> Jun 05 09:26PM -0300 ^ I've found some light fingerless Dickies gloves for summer. The palms are still reinforced leather and a little bit padded and there's leather across the knuckles but the rest some sort of fabric and lets the breeze through. I've taken one or two pebbles to the knuckles at 60mph and won't ride without them. -Kyle Joey Kelley <[email protected]> Jun 05 08:56PM -0400 ^ Kyle, I have a pair of cheap found them at a bike meet fingerless gloves for the same reason - only bugs not pebbles. Ever get nailed with a dragon fly at 70? Hurts! Makes a mess of your hands too! -Joey -- -Joey Kelley Need Computer Technical support? http://www.crossloop.com/JoeyKelleyComputerServices At your service - via remote control! paul annen <[email protected]> Jun 05 08:59PM -0400 ^ my knuckles are scared up so much pebbles and bugs dont bother me much anymore (10 years of teaching martial arts will do that), but rain at 70 stings... i do carry gloves for that Topic: mirrors gene hawkes <[email protected]> Jun 05 04:42PM -0700 ^ hello all hope all are riding well ok can someone tell me what to do about seeing out of my mirrors i am tall so when i sit on my 750 all i see behind me is the middle of my shoulders can anyone help thanks gene paul annen <[email protected]> Jun 05 07:46PM -0400 ^ as a rider of over 6 feet... i had the same issue till i got my GL... its just that you need to bend the stims they are mounted on to fit your needs Topic: Marker light 1985 Honda Nighthawk 450 Reaper88 <[email protected]> Jun 05 01:41PM -0700 ^ I'm not 100% sure, a friend of mine had same discussion. I can tell you that mine are only signals and do not stay on enless my battery is running low & only when she wasn't running, and even then only the left one w stay on when selected. I have only seen one bike with all four lights on constantly and it was on a utube video so for all I know they made a mistake by doing that. Topic: drive shaft torque lift? "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Jun 05 04:07AM -0700 ^ Sounds like one of my exes.... -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, June 04, 2010 7:08:50 pm To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <[email protected]> From: "Stumpi" <[email protected]> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: drive shaft torque lift? These things aren't torque monsters. Take the specs for a 700 for example; 80hp but only 45lb-ft of torque. They were designed as smooth, high reving, high horsepower engines not 105 cu-in, 5000rpm Harley engines. They were also designed as carbureted street bikes in a time with increasingly strict emissions controls. They sacrifice the raw grunt for the sake of driveability, revability, and emissions. You want something that'll pull your butt off the seat go ride an old high displacement Yamaha 2 stroke. I rode what I believe was a 74' DT360 once that would do wheelies in the first 3 gears. Shook like a rattle can and smelled like a refinery but boy would it go! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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