Better would be a warning rather than a kill, so that you don't
suddenly shut down in the middle of something crucial...

On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 12:51 PM, stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> wrote:
> You are sooooo right.  It would be best to have a kill switch that activates
> if the water runs too low.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Allen Thomas <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 5:01:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Anybody want to ditch the CV carbs on
> their 750 for some racing mikuni flatslides? I also have some other parts
> that must go!‏
>
> Don't ever let that water tank run dry though! 12.7 is really high
> compression, running junk gas without the water would make that engine
> detonate and overheat big time. As for VW I was into them for a couple
> years, never hot rodded them though just drove them as beaters. With that
> gear ratio (5.30 I think), I can see how even a 10HP difference would be a
> big improvement. With their stock 60HP they had decent acceleration in 1st
> and 2nd.
>
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 5:39 PM, stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Like I said:  with Webers, my Beetle had the equivalent of a dual throat
>> but at each intake port, and it achieved 32mpg on the road with a speed of
>> about 85 mph, average.  Yeah, they were butterfly valves, but the carb
>> itself is superior at atomizing the fuel.  That is what gets the mileage and
>> power up over any other carb with the same size venturi.  So I had no loss
>> in mileage per gallon, and a definitely pronounced increase in power and top
>> end.  Normal top speed for a Beetle back then was 85.
>> Side draft, btw, uses more fuel, as I understand it.
>> The HP could very well increase beyond 47%, with just the addition of
>> water injection and a bump up in compression to about 12.7, on the 750.  And
>> add, along with that, double the mileage per gallon.   All on just 87 octane
>> gasoline.  Plus, less chance of a valve burning, as the water cools the burn
>> as it quickens it and enhances its power.  Like NOS without the danger.
>>
>> Stanley
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Aldo <[email protected]>
>> To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 2:08:56 PM
>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Anybody want to ditch the CV carbs on
>> their 750 for some racing mikuni flatslides? I also have some other parts
>> that must go!‏
>>
>> You would trade approx 5-10 MPG for roughly 25hp gain... always seemed
>> like a fair trade to me. The bike will stay every bit as reliable too.
>> In some aspects it would become more reliable without the vacuum
>> system (Mikuni carbs only require a push-pull throttle cable... simple
>> is good).
>>
>>
>>
>> These flat slides are modern technology... The stock carbs are
>> dinosaurs. These motors are golden and they can produce so much power
>> with the right carbs. The old stock Keihin CVs run very lean and
>> airflow doesn't compare. It is really only a problem if you want MORE
>> POWER!!! Re-jetting the stock carbs can only help so much. I think
>> many of us are content with the stock carbs on our 750 but I for one
>> thought honda could have set us up a little better.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt,
>>
>> I am sorry my friend one of the other NH Lovers beat you to the
>> pipes... they're sold.
>>
>>
>>
>> Peace and Grease!
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Aldo
>>
>>
>> On Aug 14, 10:18 am, stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Almost a 47% increase, to be a little more precise.  It does sound a bit
>> > far
>> > fetched.  Not even with an extractor exhaust system.  Plus, they are, as
>> > you
>> > say, double pumpers.  Sounds to me, like they'd use a lot more fuel.
>> > I would sooner put a couple of Webers on instead.
>> > On a Beetle with only a 1776 dual port engine that was
>> > statically balanced and
>> > CC'd and a c/r of around 8.1:1, my increase in HP with two single
>> > throat Webers
>> > and an extractor exhaust and a very mild cam for torque not revs  made
>> > it
>> > possible to whip this guy in a Mitsubishi Galant with a 2.0L pushing
>> > 142HP.
>> > That was without attempting to do so, as I told him about a year later
>> > when he
>> > saw my Beetle and recognized it from the time my humble Beetle mopped up
>> > his Galant.  I don't drag from stop signs, but I was in a hurry to
>> > get on my way
>> > to Fla. that day and I did remember some Mitsubishi next to me breathing
>> > hard
>> > and really taking off as I turned down a side street.  Made me wonder if
>> > I had
>> > done something to piss him off, or he had a spat with his woman or
>> > something.
>> > Now, that really exasperated him.
>> > That thing (my Beetle) would go over 100mph and get 32mpg doing it.  Had
>> > to put
>> > extra weight in the front for safety.
>> > Of course, it wasn't cca/c (closed circuit air conditioning).  I had the
>> > vents
>> > open for air.  Sort of like riding a bike without the bugs and road grit
>> > from
>> > the semi in front of you hitting your arms and getting in your eyes and
>> > hair,
>> > even with a helmet.
>> > But yeah, it was a cage, albeit a happy one...
>> >
>> > Stanley
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Allen Thomas <[email protected]>
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 9:56:24 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Anybody want to ditch the CV carbs on
>> > their 750
>> > for some racing mikuni flatslides? I also have some other parts that
>> > must go!‏
>> >
>> > Aldo, I'm a bit skeptical on the 100HP claim. Please educate me. I can't
>> > see how
>> > changing carburation could net +40% increase. Here is why: both
>> > carburator sets
>> > are the same diameter so they will flow the same CFM. Even if the slide
>> > carbs
>> > flowed more CFM, flowing higher CFM only benefits at WOT, so unless the
>> > lower
>> > CFM carb were seriously undersized would you get any benefit. In fact if
>> > the
>> > carburator flows a higher CFM than the engine can draw, then you will
>> > actually
>> > make less power! So taking flow off the table the only benefits of slide
>> > carbs
>> > over CV are that you can open the venturi faster as it is not depending
>> > on
>> > vacume to move the slide. This has importance to drag racing; first it
>> > allows
>> > you do run pods with no ill effect, it also allows you to drop the
>> > weight of the
>> > airbox, and lastly you can feel if you are opening them at the proper
>> > rate (like
>> > I said if you're carb flow is higher than engine draw you loose power).
>> > You
>> > would gain HP by the reduced intake flow of the pods but not over 40%.
>> > To get
>> > those kind of numbers you would need to cam, change valve springs, and
>> > most
>> > likely port the head, which would maximize the power output at a higher
>> > RPM.
>> > Also an ignition advance would be needed which requires a part I have
>> > not been
>> > able to find. This of course would take away from the drivability of the
>> > engine.
>> > I can't tell you how many hot rods I have spanked over the years that
>> > had a
>> > tunnel ram intake with a 750CFM or larger carb on a basically
>> > stock small
>> > block. Had they known that a dual plane intake with a 600CFM would make
>> > them
>> > faster they might have had a chance. In car terms what you are doing
>> > with slide
>> > carbs vs. CV is going from a vacuum secondary to a double pumper. It
>> > isn't
>> > necessarily an upgrade, it all depends on the setup.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Aldo <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't know if any of you are interested but I have some racing carbs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >that will fit a 1991-2003 NH750 I don't know if the other Nighthawks
>> > >have 34mm carbs but maybe they'll fit them too. These are the key to
>> > >unlocking some major power in the CB750 motor. It is not for
>> > >everyone... 100HP is a big difference from 67.7HP
>> >
>> > >They are 34mm Mikuni Flatslide racing carbs just like below:
>> >
>> >
>> > > >http://www.orientexpress.com/Universal+Parts+%252526+Accessories/Inta...
>> >
>> > >If you are interested maybe we can strike a deal... I don't want to
>> > >lose too much cash on this but I am not using them so I better sell
>> > >'em.
>> >
>> > >I also have:
>> >
>> > >Stock NH750 seat in nice shape. $90 Shipped
>> >
>> > >Stock 4 into 2 pipes in nice shape. $100 + shipping
>> >
>> > >Stock chain guard in nice shape. $25 Shipped
>> >
>> > >Stock mirrors also in nice shape. $25 Shipped
>> >
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