I use a combination of a car charger that does 100 amp start assist, and 2 amp 
charge with shut off. And a battery tender that does .7 amp. The car charger 
works to start a bike with a dead battery for testing, and the 2 amp is a good 
rate for charging/ desulfication of a low battery. 
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From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]>
Sender: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 23:47:51 
To: <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Back from the beyond

Dennis,  don't get a trickle charger, one that just continually charges at .5 
amps or whatever, get a maintainer, one that chargers and then switches off 
when it is fully charged.  Graham

On Oct 11, 2013, at 11:18 PM, Dennis Gallagher wrote:

> Well, it turned out to be the battery as everyone thought.   I went and 
> bought a sealed battery unit for $140 NZD and popped it in and vaarooooom - 
> we were good to go.   Thanks, gentlemen for your thoughts on this!
> 
> I'm going to swap the new battery into my '86 CB700, which has been down for 
> sometime with what I thought was a blown starter motor but now I'm wondering. 
>  Worth a try, eh?   I might get both my babies up and running.  If the '86 
> starts, I'm going to buy another battery of the same type and, hopefully, 
> leave all battery problems behind me for a number of years.
> 
> Oh yes, and there's going to be some trickle charger action here soon as well.
> 
> Dennis
> Christchurch
> 
> 
> On Friday, October 11, 2013 5:16:26 PM UTC+13, Dennis Gallagher wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
>  
> Back in late December, I shut the spigot on getting E-Mail from this group 
> because I was going to be off traveling for an extended period.  And I knew 
> that my two CB700’s would just be sitting quietly out in the garage waiting 
> for my return.
> 
>  
> Well, I’m back and I wanted to step back into the stream here again for my 
> dose of Nighthawk mania. 
> 
>  
> But, before I could even do that (I’ve been home just four days now), I’ve 
> already got a motorcycle problem!  So, rather than just re-joining for a chat 
> and some lurking, I’ve got issues I need help on.
> 
>  
> Yesterday, I recharged the battery on my ’85, popped the battery in and 
> cranked it over.   It took a long time before I got it to fire and then keep 
> running but it eventually did.  All good, I thought.   I took it around the 
> block, visited the local service station and put the air pressure up in the 
> tires and was well satisfied with things.
> 
>  
> Today, I took it down the the New Zealand version of the Department of Motor 
> Vehicles and got it inspected (a requirement here every six months) and then 
> re-registered it.  All good.  Lights, brakes and everything looked good to 
> them and they passed it with no problems.
> 
>  
> Then I took off to do some errands and, wouldn’t you know it, after my second 
> errand (now I’m on the far side of Christchurch from where I live) I came 
> out, hit the starter and got a weird buzzing noise rather than the normal 
> starter motor noises.   Mmmmm.  Not good.
> 
>  
> After a few attempts at wiggling things and trying to start it again, even 
> the weird buzzing noise stopped and the dash lights dimmed away to zero when 
> I hit the starter.  So, I’m thinking ‘this battery’s dead’.
> 
>  
> I fussed with it and pulled the battery and several of the cells were low.   
> I remembered that it had been full up when I put it on the charger yesterday 
> but when I took it off the charger, I never rechecked the cell levels.  So, I 
> assume that the recharge must have driven off some of the water in it (or the 
> aliens came and took it?).
> 
>  
> Regardless, I’m focused on the battery now. 
> 
>  
> I tried a quick push-start but that did nothing.  I had another problem 
> there.   When I put the bike in 3rd and tried to push it for a pop-start, I 
> can feel the engine dragging even though the clutch lever’s all the way in.  
> So I know my clutch reservoir’s brake fluid is low and maybe I have some air 
> in the line.  So, it’s not looking like push starting will be an option 
> unless several gorillas come along to help me push.  And if the battery’s 
> sincerely dead, would it run anyway?
> 
>  
> I call my girlfriend and she comes and gets me and off we go home after 
> stashing the beast behind an art and framing shop.  At home, I top up the 
> battery cells with tap water (yes, I know I should have used distilled) and 
> put it back onto the charger for an hour and 30 minutes.
> 
>  
> Then, back into the car and we’re away to the motorcycle again.   I pop the 
> battery in, turn the key and I get the same weird buzzing noise again.  I 
> trace it and it is in the starter relay coil making the racket. 
> 
>  
> So, that’s the situation now.
> 
>  
> My thoughts are that perhaps the battery (which was old) has packed it in and 
> won’t hold enough charge now to fully engage the starter motor relay and send 
> juice onto the starter motor – hence the buzz and vibration which are 
> definitely coming from the relay.
> 
>  
> If so, then I’m puzzled how, yesterday, when I was struggling to start it, I 
> was able to crank it for several long sessions before I got it to run.  How 
> could the battery be that strong then and so lame now?
> 
>  
> Maybe, one of the plates in the battery has failed (is that possible?) and so 
> it went from being able to do several good cranks to being seriously weak now?
> 
>  
> I had the starter motor fail on my ’86 CB6700 several years ago (I wrote the 
> repair details all up here on the Nighthawk group) but the symptoms were 
> different than this.   Then, I just got a solid click and nothing else.
> 
>  
> Nighthawk gurus, what are your thoughts on this?
> 
>  
> Dennis
> 
> Christchurch, New Zealand
> 
> 
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