Hi, mikra, I know the Thinking Forth book, by Leo Brodie. I agree with you, it is very good indeed. However, young people want to follow the trend, things that don't work, as mratsin hinted. I guess you know the following article:
[http://www.flownet.com/gat/papers/lisp-java.pdf](http://www.flownet.com/gat/papers/lisp-java.pdf) The article show how modern software engineering tools that are favored by Java programmers fail miserably in practice.
