does it have to be an appliance??  something like pfsense
(http://www.pfsense.org/).  it can do one or more WANs (though you need
but one) and a LAN plus one or more OPTional networks (used for additional
LANs and/or DMZ).  don't use the WAN ports on any of the linksys's.  just
link the two with a crossover cable (though some linksys will "auto"
detect/set).  then you have switch ports (3 on each if 2 linksys routers
or 3, 3 and 2 if you have 3 linksys routers).  plus, you have the WAP
functionality on each to boot.  pfsense requirements are MINIMAL.  I have
had great success with off the shelf netgear cards, 256mb RAM, Pentium2
and up, and a 20gb  harddisk.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Howard White
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 16:23
To: [email protected]
Subject: [nlug] Looking for the unlikely "consumer grade" product


Happy Friday, all:

Have a customer with a DSL connection.  Their gateway is the AT&T 
complimentary Netopia unit, 4 port switch with wireless and the wireless 
is turned off.  Customer needs two internal networks isolated from each 
other but using the shared access to the internet.  (Long story skipped 
to get to the point.)  They have a Linksys 802.11g router/switch/WAP and 
a new Linksys 802.11n router/switch/WAP.  Can anyone say "Double NAT?" 
Yes, I have one internal network, served by the Netopia, feeding two 
other internal networks served by each of the respective Linksys 
routers.  It works - but.

Double NAT is not a big deal because the customer is not internet 
intensive.  We are no longer connecting to them via OpenVPN.  The 
802.11n unit was bought to some extent because the prior 802.11g unit is 
having WAN brain clouds on a daily basis requiring a power cycle to clear.

I have been looking on Google for the "perfect solution" which would be 
a DSL gateway/router with more than just a 4 port hub or switch.  It 
would be cool to eliminate the intermediate internal network.

Bridge you ask?  Thought about that.  Only have one public IP address 
and I don't think it is static.  Could bridge into a computer playing 
router but would like to stay with the appliance model box without hard 
disks, fans and other moving parts.

Just did learn about dual DSL routers but they go the "wrong way."  They 
bring two WANs into one LAN, not one WAN into two LANs...  Have not read 
enough to know that one might not run it "backwards."  ;)  Anyone tried 
this?

So I shall likely go to yonder big box store and acquire another router 
in place of the flaky 802.11g Linksys and now we don't need WAP.  If 
anyone knows of a simpler appliance box solution for what I've 
described, I'd appreciate thoughts.

Howard White




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