also this 
http://www.slideshare.net/briandavidcampbell/hope-or-hype-a-look-at-the-next-generation-of-identity-standards

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:17 PM, andrew mcelroy <[email protected]> wrote:
> if you loved SOAP, you'll love SAML.
>
> some pitfalls with SAML
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Iw3xLj9040
>
> On breaking SAML
> http://www.nds.rub.de/research/publications/BreakingSAML/
>
> Granted this has been fixed. It's an overly complex mess. I would be
> shocked if this "fixes" the standard.
>
>
>
> To be fair, here is IBMs take on SAML
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-samlmyth/index.html?ca=drs
>
> Again, keep in mind they love SOAP, and WS-* and all things XML
>
> Bottom line. Why are you using SAML and who will have to consume it.
> Enterprise types like it, mobile and web developers hate it.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Andrew Farnsworth <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Andrew,
>>   Can you expand on the SAML is Bad vibe you are sending out?  We have a
>> group who is pushing SAML in general and Shibboleth specifically.  We are
>> not far down the path yet so it would be good to know the issues around it.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:48 AM, andrew mcelroy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> sorry that I'm late to this thread, but if you can use Active
>>> Directory/LDAP, OAuth, or even OpenID you will be much better off.
>>> to butcher a Simpsons quote: " You don't make friends with SAML. You
>>> don't make friends with SAML 10X (fade out) "
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Jamie Faris <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > Here we use CAS [1] for Single Sign On among a few Java web apps.  It
>>> > uses SAML and should be able to work with non-Java apps as well, we
>>> > just haven't tried yet.  It has worked pretty well for us.
>>> >
>>> > In our experience Single Sign Out is a much harder problem than Single
>>> > Sign In.
>>> >
>>> > Jamie
>>> >
>>> > [1] http://www.jasig.org/cas
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Howard White <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >> Anybody got links on references to SAML?  We'd like an overview and
>>> >> some
>>> >> thoughts.  Comments and war stories appreciated.  There has been much
>>> >> clamor
>>> >> in the user community for Single Sign On and much wringing of hands and
>>> >> gnashing of teeth in the development and operations communities trying
>>> >> to
>>> >> respond.
>>> >>
>>> >> In our specific application, The Service and Identity Providers shall
>>> >> all be
>>> >> strictly intranet behind firewalls.
>>> >>
>>> >> Howard
>>> >>
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