I worked on the med center unix/linux team when that merger happened. We spent a long time merging everything together, unifying the environment. I left (the only chance for a promotion was someone dying) in 2012. (Wow, it's been 10 years?!?) In 2016 the med center separated <https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2016/04/29/vanderbilt-university-medical-center-independent-entity-effective-april-30/> from the university. Accoding to former co-workers, they had to rip everything apart and employees had to choose a side, VU or VMC.
I have no idea what it is like now, but if it's the same folks in charge (I hope not) I wouldn't work there. Kent On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:24 PM Paul Boniol <[email protected]> wrote: > Note there is a big difference between VU and VUMC. I'm not in IT proper > anymore, and have limited experience outside my work experience. When I > started at VU, I heard VUMC was a pretty toxic place to work in comparison. > However, a few years back, Vanderbilt unified IT operations across both, to > some degree merging services under one umbrella. Things may have improved > on the MC side during those years.(?) Then there was a legal separation, > that took a few years to work out, but the One IT philosophy may have > shaken things up on the MC side. > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 4:54 PM 'Michael Chaney' via NLUG < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> My only actual day job was working for Indiana University 30 years ago. >> It's actually amazing to find that a private university is ran as badly as >> a state university, but that experience sounds pretty much spot on. Either >> that, or IU would have had 5 incompetent people attempting to do the job. >> >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 12:26 AM Dagmar d'Surreal <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> VUMC resources have been managed separately from the University for >>> *quite* some time now, and the University drove all their Linux admins away >>> years ago. Full disclosure: *I* was the last man out of there, after they >>> had me being the sole 24/7 on-call for the entire unix environment for >>> three and a half months. They were seriously expecting *one* person to >>> manage that, because they didn't even make an offer on the other open >>> positions until they saw me apply for a transfer out and realized it would >>> leave them with zero experienced admins. I *still* have sleeping issues >>> from that. >>> >>> The folks working in smaller departments and research groups have fewer >>> annoyances, but you probably do not want to work directly for Vanderbilt >>> because of the ridiculous nonsense you'll have to put up with. >>> >>> I spent almost ten years working for those clowns, and most of the time >>> management acted like I had been using Ubuntu for about a six months or >>> somesuch (six plus years of solid experience with heavy security and >>> architecture emphasis when I *started* working for them). The only thing >>> that really kept me coming in the door towards the end was that the various >>> departments were a continuous source of interesting problems, ...because it >>> certainly wasn't the compensation. The place is toxic and does not respect >>> skill or acumen. >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2022, 10:37 PM Kent Perrier <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> IMO, that is the difference between research and patient care with the >>>> medical center. When it's literally patent's lives on the line, stakes (and >>>> the pressure) are a bit higher. I have no idea what it's like since VUMC >>>> split from the University. >>>> >>>> Kent >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 6:32 PM Greg Donald <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 2:43 PM Kent Perrier <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Based on my 7 years working for VUMC being a unix/linux sysadmin >>>>> that never happened. >>>>> >>>>> Based on my 4.5 years at CHGR and my 8 months at VICTR I experienced >>>>> it multiple times. >>>>> >>>>> They gave me the dirtiest, most low-end computers of anywhere I've >>>>> ever worked. >>>>> >>>>> I took a significant pay cut to go there, I thought at the time it'd >>>>> be cool to work in genetics research. They subtracted 8 years from my >>>>> years of experience for not having a proper CS degree, then later >>>>> asked me to slow down when I outperformed the other properly trained >>>>> developers in my department. I tried to get more money a couple of >>>>> times but was denied. I got the standard 2.5% each year, the same >>>>> they gave everyone. >>>>> >>>>> My first grant-based project was scheduled for 11 months, about 150 >>>>> form fields spread across 7 or 8 pages. No clue who thought it would >>>>> take 11 months but I completed it with about 10 months to spare and >>>>> never broke a sweat. I sat there for the next two months waiting to >>>>> find out what they wanted me to work on next. I began spending my >>>>> days teaching myself Android Java and started launching apps into what >>>>> would later become the Google Play Store. >>>>> >>>>> This same theme repeated itself for several more years until I wanted >>>>> more money and so I left. At the time they paid about 50% of what I >>>>> can get in the non-academic world. No one in the real world cares >>>>> about CS degrees, they only care if you can do the work. I mean, I >>>>> get it... when you're in the business of selling quarter of a million >>>>> dollar CS degrees you don't want it to get out that people without one >>>>> can make money too. >>>>> >>>>> I only talked to my manager about once every 6 weeks, usually when we >>>>> just happened to be walking in from the parking garage at the same >>>>> time. Vandy is a great place to work if you don't want to be pushed >>>>> too hard. The hard part for me was the boredom and the fake smiles >>>>> from people who thought they were working hard. >>>>> >>>>> My 8 months at VICTR was when I returned as a rehire, to recover from >>>>> startup burnout. I had just spent close to 5 years working 60+ hour >>>>> weeks as the only developer at a 4-person startup. We had been bought >>>>> out recently and I was ready for a break, but I wanted cheap health >>>>> insurance. I knew Vandy would be a great place to recover, and it >>>>> was. 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