Nick, Mats

I would guess that nonmem should inflate variance (for this example) trying to fit the observed uniform (-0.5, 0.5) into some normal N(0, ?). This example (if I read it correctly) shows that Nonmem somehow estimates variance without making distribution assumption.
Nick, you mentioned:

"the mean estimate of OMEGA(1) was 0.0827"

does it mean that Nonmem-estimated OMEGA was close to 0.0827 or you refer to the variances of estimated ETAs?

Thanks
Leonid


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Mats Karlsson wrote:
Nick,

It has been showed over and over again that empirical Bayes estimates, when individual data is rich, will resemble the true individual parameter regardless of the underlying distribution. Therefore I don’t understand what you think this exercise contributes.

Best regards,

Mats

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*From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Nick Holford
*Sent:* Monday, May 31, 2010 6:05 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Cc:* 'Marc Lavielle'
*Subject:* Re: [NMusers] distribution assumption of Eta in NONMEM

Hi,

I tried to see with brute force how well NONMEM can produce an empirical Bayes estimate when the ETA used for simulation is uniform. I attempted to stress NONMEM with a non-linear problem (the average DV is 0.62). The mean estimate of OMEGA(1) was 0.0827 compared with the theoretical value of 0.0833.

The distribution of 1000 EBEs of ETA(1) looked much more uniform than normal.
Thus FOCE show no evidence of normality being imposed on the EBEs.

$PROB EBE
$INPUT ID DV UNIETA
$DATA uni1.csv ; 100 subjects with 1 obs each
$THETA 5 ; HILL
$OMEGA 0.083333333 ; PPV_HILL = 1/12
$SIGMA 0.000001 FIX ; EPS1

$SIM (1234) (5678 UNIFORM) NSUB=10
$EST METHOD=COND MAX=9990 SIG=3
$PRED
IF (ICALL.EQ.4) THEN
   IF (NEWIND.LE.1) THEN
      CALL RANDOM(2,R)
      UNIETA=R-0.5 ; U(-0.5,0.5) mean=0, variance=1/12
      HILL=THETA(1)*EXP(UNIETA)
      Y=1.1**HILL/(1.1**HILL+1)
   ENDIF
ELSE

HILL=THETA(1)*EXP(ETA(1))
Y=1.1**HILL/(1.1**HILL+1) + EPS(1)
ENDIF

REP=IREP

$TABLE ID REP HILL UNIETA ETA(1) Y
ONEHEADER NOPRINT FILE=uni.fit

I realized after a bit more thought that my suggestion to transform the eta value for estimation wasn't rational so please ignore that senior moment in my earlier email on this topic.

Nick


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