Hello Robert,

Thank you for your help.  I figured out the potential reason.  I took care of 
an additive component of the error.  It seems like it is wrong to assume that 
M2-M4 take care of the additive component.  It is wrong to assume that the 
additive component is trivial when M2-M4 are used.  Also, the same SD should be 
used in both the standard and the M2-M4 portions of the objective function.  

It will be nice if there is a sorce, which explaines the error messages.  The 
error messages can be puzzeling.  

Kind regards,
Pavel


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bauer, Robert" 
Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011 7:59 pm
Subject: RE: [NMusers] error message 0VAR-COV OF SOME OBS ESTIMATED TO BE 0 - a 
bug?
To: [email protected], Martin Johnson 
Cc: [email protected]

> Pavel:
> If you do not mind sharing your control stream file, and if necessary,
> your data file (or a truncated version of it), perhaps you could 
> send it
> to me. I may be able to determine if there is a way to modify the
> control stream code to avoid these errors, or if there is a bug.
> 
> Robert J. Bauer, Ph.D.
> Vice President, Pharmacometrics
> ICON Development Solutions 
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> 
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> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: [email protected] [mailto:owner-
> [email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:32 AM
> To: Martin Johnson
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [NMusers] error message 0VAR-COV OF SOME OBS 
> ESTIMATED TO
> BE 0 - a bug?
> 
> 
> Thank you Martin,
> 
> It was helpful and educational, but did not resolve the issue. 
> I just
> used a very different code and datasets. The only common part 
> was 
> 
> $EST MAXEVALS=9999 SIG=5 NOABORT PRINT=1 SORT
> METHOD=IMP CTYPE=3 NITER=1000 ISAMPLE=300 POSTHOC INTERACTION
> 
> There are no warnings or errors. Newertheless, the code creates 
> 2 out
> of 4 requested output files. Both output files are truncated, i.e.
> after a certain subject and a timepoint there are no output 
> records. It
> does not depend on the number of added dummy time points 
> (MDV=1). What
> can it be? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Pavel
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Martin Johnson 
> Date: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:52 am
> Subject: Re: [NMusers] error message 0VAR-COV OF SOME OBS 
> ESTIMATED TO
> BE 0 - a bug?
> To: [email protected]
> 
> > Dear Pavel,
> > Just adding my few cents..
> > I understand that you are very experienced NMUSER, so this 
> mail 
> > may not 
> > add anything new to you.
> > 
> > 
> > Error message on FNLETA comes from the posthoc step- "An error 
> > message 
> > from FNLETA indicates that NONMEM has experienced difficulties
> > obtaining posthoc etas"
> > Error message on CELS "usually" says that there are some 
> "zero" 
> > predictions.
> > So, in this way..error message makes some sense...
> > 
> > However, i have not used IMP with M3 and Laplacian, so i can 
> not 
> > comment 
> > on that.
> > 
> > One thing may be...model also tries to predict the pk or pd 
> for 
> > zero 
> > time points...that could cause this problem....if so, CALLFL=0 
> > in the 
> > $ERROR may be of some use
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Martin Johnson,
> > PhD Student,
> > University of Groningen,
> > The Netherlands
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 01/28/2011 12:31 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> > > Hello Nonmem Users,
> > >
> > > I am getting an error message:
> > > 0PROGRAM TERMINATED BY FNLETA
> > > ERROR IN CELS WITH INDIVIDUAL 2 ID= 1.10050000000000E+01
> > > 0VAR-COV OF SOME OBS ESTIMATED TO BE 0
> > > MESSAGE ISSUED FROM TABLE STEP
> > >
> > > The estimate step is as follows:
> > > $EST MAXEVALS=9999 SIG=5 NOABORT PRINT=1 SORT
> > > METHOD=IMP CTYPE=3 NITER=1000 ISAMPLE=300 POSTHOC INTERACTION
> > > MSFO=KI4H004D.MSF LAPLACIAN
> > > The code also implements M3. The code runs fine, but it does 
> > not 
> > > create the output data files specified in the table 
> > statements. I 
> > > tried to remove some table statements, changed initial 
> > esimates, added 
> > > the additive component to the error model. Nothing helps. 
> > When I do 
> > > not use M3 and Laplacian, I am getting the output files. I 
> > used M3and 
> > > Laplacian with some other drugs, but I did not use it in 
> > combination 
> > > with METHOD=IMP. Can it be a NONMEM bug? The eror does not 
> > make sense.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Pavel
> > 
> > 
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