Axel can you please stop emailing the list about "hate speech", "FUD", or whatever is the topic that is unrelated to node? Write a blog post, do something. But this is the nodejs mailing list, not the fibers drama mailing list. I had an opinion on this subject, I wrote an email about it, and that was it! Right?
Can you please, pleaaaase do it out of respect for people (like myself) that subscribe to this list to get _useful_ information? I would really appreciate that, Small suggestion: Talk to people in person about this, they tend to be nice! Nuno On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Axel Kittenberger <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for this wonderful example of hate-speech that has to stop ASAP. > > You too don't seem to understand e.g. that solutions like streamline > *ARE* async. I was been advertised when looking around for solutions > that node has a very friendly, practice oriented community. Where is > that now? Now its hate speech that tells you "die a quiet lonely death > in the corner". This has to stop, otherwise node itself will get that > fate itself. Ryan himself as made promises and wait() back that day. > So wasn't he aware of the "fundamental philosophy?" He was just trying > to find something that works. Okay, that implementation didn't work > out, so node switched over to callbacks, because they worked better. > Now where did the evangelists come in, and tell you "do die a lonely > death" because others have found more solutions to an issue which has > not been perfectly solved, not for all use cases. When did something > that was a practical solution become a gospel? > > I'm too tired by people arguing with usage statistics. So what? Isn't > node itself a vocal minority? Pulling numbers from thin air, aren't > the majority of installations still Apache-MySQL-PHP? Since when is a > simple majority an argument about how useful and (un)cool something > is? Quadrillions of flies eat dung, so should we too? > > Oh and please look up on Google what "FUD" means, you seem just to > have picked that word up, without realizing its real meaning. > > Just to repeat myself, this kind of hating hurts node big time, > regardless if you are on the "pure callbacks" or "heterodox solutions" > team. As Bruno writes on his blog, Node is a platform like Linux is > one, and while pure C/C++/Objective-C/etc. people are still > disagreeing what the bests tool is, and could argue for lifetimes > about that, they live happily together on top of Linux, which is > itself pure C. Yet the kernel team does not object, or wish you to die > in a lonely corner, if you use C++ on top of it. > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM, billywhizz <[email protected]> wrote: > > Axel, while nobody has explicitly stated that streamline.js is for > everyone > > it seems that every time someone asks a question about control flow and > > nesting a streamline fanatic jumps on the thread and puts it forward as > the > > solution to everything. Maybe you guys just don't realise how bloody > > annoying that is and how much confusion it must lead to for new users. > the > > biggest problem the "haters" have with the library is it works completely > > against the rationale for node.js. i don't know how many times it has > been > > stated by the node.js team that node.js is all about async and callbacks > and > > is fundamentally tied to the way javascript does things. however much you > > might like streamline.js it will always remain something of an experiment > > and a hack. while it is an impressive feat of mental gymnastics i'm > afraid i > > couldn't call it a brilliant piece of engineering as it's going too much > > against the grain of the platform it is built on and is massively over > > complicated. > > > > my suggestion for the node.js community would be just to ignore any > future > > comments like this as these thread-wars only draw disproportionate > attention > > to what will always be a niche product. would be much better to let it > die a > > quiet lonely death in the corner. this is the last time i will be > commenting > > on it as i'm really really tired of hearing all this FUD. > > > > > > On Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:26:34 PM UTC+1, Axel Kittenberger wrote: > >> > >> > I think streamline is a brilliant piece of engineering and I'm sure > >> > there > >> > are people who really benefit from such a tool. Just understand it's > >> > not > >> > for everyone. > >> > >> Has anyone ever stated that is is for everyone? If we just could agree > >> with the haters (you know whom I mean) that it a useful tool for some > >> applications. 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