If your goal is to be right about JavaScript I'll be the first to say "you're right" :)
My point is that you can't teach this to everyone in the world writing JavaScript and what we need to do is just make this not an issue in node's core objects. On Jun 23, 2012, at June 23, 20125:30 PM, Jorge wrote: > On 24/06/2012, at 01:59, Mikeal Rogers wrote >> On Jun 23, 2012, at June 23, 20124:15 PM, Jorge wrote: >>> On 24/06/2012, at 00:43, Mikeal Rogers wrote: >>>> On Jun 23, 2012, at June 23, 201212:20 AM, Jorge wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> Object.create(null) objects are real JS objects and act like real JS >>>>> objects. >>>> >>>> yes, the language has warts, what is your point? >>> >>> That I agree 100% with Bert: >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Bert Belder <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> People shouldn't rely on prototype methods of objects that >>>> are used as hash tables. Same story for the http headers object, parsed >>>> querystring arguments etc. >>> >> what is our goal here? >> >> this is all fascinating but rather than call out the warts in the language >> and say people should avoid them we should be trying to make node not break >> or behave in an unexpected way for people that don't know the language as >> well as we do. >> >> node is not for javascript experts, it's for people that may be learning >> javascript, and we should avoid unexpected behavior. >> >> do we want to spend our time teaching people the cracks and crevices of >> JavaScript so they can use node or do we want to just make it work the way >> they'll expect? > > The .hasOwnProperty() in Object.prototype has always been a bad idea because > any hasOwnProperty own property or any other hasOwnProperty property in the > object's [[prototype]] chain will shadow it so in the end -as was the case of > "with () {}"- you never know for sure *what* are you calling, nor even if > what you're calling is a callable. > > For example, nobody should ever write > httpRequestHeaders.hasOwnProperty('Referer') because it's a bomb waiting to > explode. That's -I believe- what Bert meant, and I agree. > -- > Jorge > > -- > Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ > Posting guidelines: > https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "nodejs" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=en?hl=en -- Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ Posting guidelines: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "nodejs" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=en?hl=en
