The problem with rebuilding is many GMs think they can compete with terrible players. Picking a 35 year old player in the first round with good stats but no future is not smart for a rebuild team. Holding on to a great reliever when you are not making the playoffs makes no sense too. It does take 3 years to build a team from the bottom to a playoff team. You will need to sacrafice a year or 2 for players with potential. I think this is what Ray is saying if a bad team can stock pile NCRs it can compete faster. In this league starting pitching is the hardest thing to obtain but still I see pitchers being offered that are #3 starters and nobody making a trade offer on them. A good free agent starter will not make it pass the 2nd round. You must than draft a NCR starter and hope he makes it to the majors. If you want to rebuild offer up players through the e-mail and wait for some good offers to come in. Teams that are in the playoffs do many trades because that is how you obtain that missing peice needed to compete. I would like to see some of the bottom teams be more agressive in trading not holding onto a 35 year old ageing player hoping he will be good next year too. Have you noticed that all the playoff teams from last year made multiple trades. I do not see many teams with multiple great players at 1 position and if you do make a trade offer with that person for 1 of those players. When I had 2 players at one position I traded him to strengthen other areas on my team. I want to see more teams offering around players and draft picks to improve. I have seen 3 GMs offering up 10th round picks for almost nothing and not even getting a offer. I have picked some great players in the 10th round. Even Ike Davis was once a 10th round pick. So if you want to improve offer up a group e-mail of thgat player for trade and see what you get offered. John north bay
________________________________ From: Gary Brown <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:41 AM Subject: Re: NCR input I don't think it is all the non playoff teams fault. The playoff teams seem to have a better core of players with plenty of AB at each position. As with my team I took over last year(Norfolk), I have been struggling to get good starting players at each position because when we are able to keep 30 players. It will take a number of years to rebuild when 30+ players are protected. There are teams with 2-3 top starters at 1 position can sit on these player without having to play them or play them out of position. I understand if a emergency situation come up to play someone out of position, but a manager played a player only rated at 3B at 4 other positions 2B, SS, LF, and RF. MLB does use some players like this, but not like some managers use them. Thats why there are utility players with many fielding ratings. If the cut down was to 20 with the max NCR the manager wants to protect, then a wider range of players will be in the draft every year. Every managers would have to be more selective on which players they want as their core 20. My 2¢. Gary Norfolk --- On Sat, 12/31/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: NCR input >To: [email protected] >Date: Saturday, December 31, 2011, 11:55 AM > > >I would be curious, Robert, seems like teams who made playoffs are voting >against raising it to 8 saying it would not help the teams not making playoffs > > WHILE the teams like me know otherwise who did not make playoffs. I suggest >listening to the teams that do not make playoffs on whether or not 8 >NCRs would help a non playoff team. > > Who can not field team with 33 players to cover usage all season? Teams that >are under AB and IP really have no excuse considering all the playing time >available from players left in draft. The amount of NCRs available at 8 make >no difference. Usage problems are separate issues. I could assemble a team >each year made up of 33 players left in draft after completed that could meet >our usage requirements for season. Blaming NCRs will not solve the problem of >overusage. It is a DRAFTING problem. Drafting a catcher with 41 ABs when you >need one with 200 ABs who is available is the problem. I would like to address >usage problems as well but veiling it as an NCR problem is wrong way to look >at it. There are SIMPLE draft rules in other leagues that could solve problem >in our league, such as all usage required must be taken in draft by end of 8th >round. > >Anyway, I would say nothing except I saw a trend of playoff teams almost all >going against an increase in NCRs. > >Also, I almost have ALL my player usage covered with my roster already of 25 >players like major leagues do. I only need to draft 3 relievers somewhere and >I can draft 9 other guys no matter how much playing time they have based on >future potential. > >Research has shown that it takes 4 years average for a team to rebuild and be >competitive in a healthy league our size. I am suspicious of leagues that have >same people in playoffs or first place for 10 years straight. It does not mean >something is wrong, after all there are superior players. But all other >leagues I know and have played in do not have dynasties. Do the rules in this >league favor playoff teams that are making decisions for non playoff teams on >how to rebuild? > >Anyway, either way, I get youth from NCRs or low innings and AB guys because I >take the time to make SURE I have playing time covered BEFORE the draft. I >just find usage problems interesting. The rules our league have for usage are >MINIMUM levels, not RECOMMENDED levels. I live to exceed those limits. What >needs to be increased is either the minimum levels of usage or allowing >players to be used at 110% of MLB. Anyway, too much talk, I just been working >so hard and will finally have a day off Monday to relax and pick up pieces for >2012. We have a water leak and the guy can't come to fix it till Monday. It is >a trickle but nothing we can do. > >Whatever the NCR limits are works for me. If I was commish (HERE COMES REASON >I SHOULD NEVER HAVE ANY DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITIES) After draft I would >calculate usage and if a team did NOT have enough usage I would require them >to DROP an NCR and replace him with a carded guy who gives him enough usage. >If people still overuse after starting the season with required usage on their >roster which must be maintained after trades then usage rule is too LOW!This >is not rocket science or string theory. Even Penny could figure this out. >thanks >rayBKN > > >-----Original Message-----From: suelou22 <[email protected]>To: nombl ><[email protected]>Cc: john arcieri <[email protected]>Sent: Sat, Dec 31, >2011 9:53 amSubject: Re: NCR input >This is the main reason we should not increase the NC players..we need to >draft more players with IP or ABs to get through the season in respectability.....Lou---- john arcieri <[email protected]> wrote: > My inputis it should go up to 6 NCR since we have 41 man roster. Also have you thought about a throw back draft. A throw back draft is the next day after the draft you are allowed to drop 1 player and pick up 1 player that wasn't drafted. This gives teams that are under ABs or IPs to pick up a player they need for usage. It would be a e-mail draft first e-mail sent gets that player. It seems like every year a few teams have not enough ABs and IPs. John > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 1:26 PM > Subject: NCR input > > > would anyone else like to voice their thoughts on uncarded players (anyone concidered carded - under 10 PA or ip) or NCR (players still concider rookies not meeting the limits of NOMBL)? > > ROBERT > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: bkn drops, > draft picks, ncr, roster, NCR input > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 16:13:25 -0500 (EST) > > > NOMBL DROPS > 1. RUSSELL BRANYAN > 2. TIM BYRDAK > 3. MATT DIAZ > 4. BILL HALL > 5. AARON HILL > 6. BRANDON INGE > 7. RYAN KALISH > 8. VIN MAZZARO > 9. COREY PATTERSON > 10. MATT PURKE (ncr) > 11. MAX RAMIREZ > 12. BKN#10 DRAFT PICK > > MY DRAFT PICKS(12)- BKN #1-9, NEW #5, BUZZ #6, #7 > > ROSTER (29) > > NCR (4) > 1. GERRIT COLE > 2. BRYCE HARPER > 3. JURICKSON PROFAR > 4. GEORGE SPRINGER > > > HITTERS (15) > 1. CLINT BARMES > 2. PETER BOURJOS > 3. JAMEY CARROLL > 4. IKE DAVIS > 5. ADAM JONES > 6. JONATHON LUCROY > 7. JESUS MONTERO > 8. LOGAN MORRISON > 9. SEAN RODRIGUEZ > 10. JIMMY ROLLINS > 11. CARLOS RUIZ > 12. GABBY SANCHEZ > 13. NICK SWISHER > 14. JOSH WILLINGHAM > 15. KEVIN YOUKILIS > > PITCHERS (10) > 1. CLAY BUCHHOLZ > 2. JHOULYS CHACIN > 3. DEREK HOLLAND > 4. KAMERON LOE > 5. KYLE LOHSE > 6. JAMES SHIELDS > 7. TIM STAUFFER > 8. JOSE VALVERDE > 9. RYAN WEBB > 10. 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