Peter replied to Minoru about my post:
> 
> I read John M.'s "not true" as referring to your assertion about "all modern 
> wars". He didn't say anything to dispute that the horrors of Tokyo, Nagasaki, 
> and Hiroshima happened.

That is exactly what I meant, and I don't think it was at all unclear either. 

Another obvious change in 20th century interstate warfare is that it became 
less about the winner imposing on the loser territorial demands or demands for 
reparations (which were the more traditional spoils of war), and more about 
occupying and transforming a defeated enemy's social, economic and political 
systems in the victor's desired direction. This in turn entailed the demand for 
unconditional surrender, and it almost certainly contributed to the savagery of 
WWII by raising that war's stakes. Stalin recognized the changed realities 
quite clearly when he remarked that WWII differed from all previous wars 
insofar as the victor would be able to impose its entire social order on the 
conquered (he is quoted saying this somewhere in Miovan Djilas' "Conversations 
With Stalin").

> But as you say killing civilians is perfectly acceptable, you are just 
> debating 
> a point you have already accepted. Strange man.
>  

You'll forgive me if I stay out of this one, Peter. Thanks,


John M.




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I read John M.'s "not true" as referring to your assertion about "all modern wars". He didn't say anything to dispute that the horrors of Tokyo, Nagasaki, and Hiroshima happened.
But as you say killing civilians is perfectly acceptable, you are just debating a point you have already accepted. Strange man.
 
Peter Clark


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