John M., Thanks for your (extended) comments in answer to my question. What led to it was my thinking, "The Hamas Charter is a bargaining chip? Hmmm, that must mean that (like John G.'s example of offering prices when haggling) the charter is an overstatement of the goals of the Hamasians, that they are willing to settle for much less. How does that work? Has this ever happened before in history? I can't think of a single example, but what do I know? Maybe the well-read John M. knows of a precedent." I was mulling over this question for a few days, without going back and rereading your remarks to see that you never actually said that the Hamas Charter is insincere. My error, sorry. So let's take it -- as the philosophical principle of charity demands -- that the Hamasians are not saying things just for effect, but mean every word in their Charter (in which, incidentally, I find a new favorite article every time I read it, like article 25, which assures one and all that "Hamas ... only wishes well to individuals and groups." Feel the love!). So yes, the task before us is the recovery of Zionia Irredenta, and then on to Andalusia Irredenta and, inshallah, the global caliphate. -- Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:14 AM Subject: Re: Hamas Charter precedents Mark wrote: > It was recently stated here that the Hamas Charter > > Hamas Charter, articles 1-21: > http://middleeast.about.com/od/palestinepalestinians/a/me080106b.htm > Hamas Charter, articles 22-36: > http://middleeast.about.com/od/palestinepalestinians/a/me080106c.htm > (Love that article 31!) > > was written as a bargaining chip, to be jettisoned later, as Fatah did. > The Hamasians, it is argued, don't even believe their own charter. > It is meant as a provocation to be abandoned later in favor of peace. > > Question: Is there any historical precedent for such a document > that is written with the intent of renouncing it later? > Answer: Your question makes an assumption that was not implicit in my earlier statement about Hamas' charter, namely, I make no assumptions about the intentions of those who wrote it. I would even bet that the intentions of the people who wrote the PLO charter were in fact to destroy Israel. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Persons posting messages to not_honyaku assume all responsibility for their messages. The list owner does not review messages prior to posting, and accepts no responsibility for the content of messages posted. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
