Hi John G., Hi Irfan, John, My ears are burning at your intemperate language, but I realize that's your way of blowing off steam. I don't know what "piss-take" means (probably British slang), but it's a clever word choice when talking about the urination hadiths. Your remarks remind me that I have never thought Deep Thoughts about how to use "carbon copy" (Cc:) and "blind carbon copy" (Bcc:) when corresponding in e-mail. My rule of thumb is to use "Cc:" when all the participants know each other, and "Bcc:" otherwise. Also, if the e-mail is meant to be confidential, neither type of copies should be sent. In this case, Irfan and I are conducting a public dialog about public information, wider exposure of which can only benefit our ummah (assuming I am a Muslim, upon which Irfan has cast doubt). You will notice that both Irfan and I have been polite and frank, which is all to the good.
Irfan, You say, "I told him I knew his intention was not to search for the truth and learn what Islam is all about." I am sometimes inattentive, but I do not remember your saying this to me. On the contrary, I do want to learn what Islam is all about, in particular by focusing on a few "hard" hadiths, of the kind that would cause people, upon first hearing them, to say, "Huh?" I do not want to simply dismiss Islam as a set of silly doctrines believed by silly people, but to take it seriously, with the idea that there might be good justification for what at first seems merely idiosyncratic and crazy. So, Irfan, I am glad that John G. has not scared you away and that you are as willing to continue as I am. I look forward to your tackling the six points I brought up last time. But feel free to postpone any reply if you get busy on other things. I am grateful for your participation, and do not want to impose excessively on your time. Sincerely, Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: RE: Are urinals haram? That simply shows the kind of person he is and what he represents and stands for. I told him I knew his intention was not to search for the truth and learn what Islam is all about. After all, this is exactly how warriors on each side use faith!!! I am not aware of him posting emails on any group and I am not interested in knowing...I hope he honestly posts our on going discussion and will not run away! Irfan -----Original Message----- From: John Garside [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:12 PM To: [email protected]; Sheikh, Irfan [INDAUTO/EGS/ROS] Subject: Re: Are urinals haram? At 19:45 04/02/2009, Mark Spahn wrote: >Dear Irfan, >Thank you for your response. Before we bring our little >dialog to a close, Please do bring it to a close Mark. And have you informed Irfan that you're disclosing your inept piss-take of his religion to a broad public on googlegroups? Does Irfan know that you have been exposed as a rabid bigot and Islamophobe time and time again? john g --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Persons posting messages to not_honyaku assume all responsibility for their messages. The list owner does not review messages prior to posting, and accepts no responsibility for the content of messages posted. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
