----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Hechtenberg" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: Re: propriety
> > Mark Spahn schrieb: > (Sorry about the earlier empty answer, wrong button.) >> Please be serious. I have asked repeatedly what, specifically, the >> objection is, >> and the objectors remain silent. > > I do believe that you have been asked repeatedly not to post private > mail you have with someone on another list on this list. > Which part of "not post private mail on this list" do you not understand? Roland, Thank you, thank you for finally addressing these terms. I understand "not". I do not understand "post". I think it means to send an e-mail message to one or more destinations, but I am not sure. I do not understand "private" in this context; please define it. I understand "mail" to be in contrast to "e-mail". Mail is sent on paper, e-mail via computer communication. But does the English word "mail" also mean ???, which in English is called "e-mail"? I understand "this list" to mean the list not_honyaku. (What exactly a "list" is in this context is not something I am confident in explaining.) >> None of >> these six people have explained what they mean by "cross-posting", or why >> they don't like it. > > Cross-posting is posting messages from another list on a different lsit, > in this case, posting your messages to Irfan on non_honyaku, where Irfan > is not a member. This I do not understand. My messages to Irfan were not from a list at all. *I* originated them. And Irfan is not on a list either; he wrote from his company address. Irfan didn't post to not_honyaku, and even if he did, he would not be cross-posting, as you have defined cross-posting. Is membership part of the definition of cross-posting? >> I have explained my understanding of "posting" and >> "cross-posting", and asked for clarification, to be met with silence. >> > > Again, so that you can no longer feign ignorance: You posting your > messages to Irfan and his answers on not_honyaku is considered to be > cross-posting, impolite, obnoxious, improper, and definitely undesirable > by many members of this list. > No, as you have explained it, posting my messages to Irfan (anywhere) is not cross-posting; these are not messages from a list. Cross-posting is not bad, is it? What, exactly, is impolite, and to whom? You can't mean Irfan's speech to me, or my speech to him, which I think has been decorous. My conversation with Irfan has been conducted in exactly the same way as my much earlier conversation with a Scientology official. No one objected to that, and the term "cross-posting" never came up. What is different now? >> Similarly, I wonder what of my "private" messages got to this public >> forum, >> but no one has quoted a passage from them that I can verify was not >> intended >> to appear here. >> > > Anything you wrote to Irfan and everything he answered you is considered > to be your private messages, and no quoting should be required. So I cannot quote to you my own words to someone else? How am I to convey to you what I said to him, and he to me? If they're my private messages, I ought to be able to convey them to anyone I please. Right? >> For the third time, I ask you to quote my words to Irfan that you >> find improper, and why you find them so. I hope this third prod will be >> the >> charm. >> > > Everything you wrote to Irfan that appears here on not_honyaku is > considered improper. > Why? He and I conducted a very proper discussion. Is it the subject-matter that bothers you (talk of urination defecation, and breast-sucking)? > > Roland > Roland, I am grateful for your attempt to explain all this. Forgive me for my obtuseness. -- Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Persons posting messages to not_honyaku assume all responsibility for their messages. The list owner does not review messages prior to posting, and accepts no responsibility for the content of messages posted. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
