Tend to agree Jeremy that 'God must have an important purpose involving suffering', especially if you take it in a greater context, i.e we don't just have one life. From a lot of the texts I've read, it's all about choosing Love over Fear. Whether it be the person causing the suffering, or those on the receiving end, in that particular life. I once read an interesting discussion on why Hitler was a messenger, in that he was sent here to show how evil people can be, choosing to cause suffering to others (in the masses) while bound by their own Fears, and inspiring/challenging the rest of us to choose to reject it. Have you read 'Conversations with God' trilogy ? The only book(s) I've read that really try to answer all the questions the rest avoid (btw: in it God describes religions as 'fear based theologies used by a minority to control the masses').
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jeremy Tonks <[email protected]> wrote: > I may get to a longer response… but probably not… > > > > The standard argument goes something like: If God is all powerful and all > loving how come there is suffering in the world? > > The basic premise is flawed from my point of view. I’d respond something > like: > > If God is all powerful and all loving and there is suffering in the world > then God must have an important purpose involving suffering. > > > > As in all theological discussions Jesus needs be kept at the centre – and > there he is as soon you raise the issue of suffering. > > > > God’s purposes in creation are centred on Jesus. Jesus’ own suffering, > death and resurrection are the guarantee that, when he returns, death will > have no power and suffering will be ended. Forever. > > > > There’s my briefest theodicy. I can trust God now and into the future > because of what Jesus has done in the past. > > > > I’ll just duck down while you all start shooting… > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 May 2011 10:17 AM > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > You'd better give us a run down on your views on theodicy then Jeremy. I > don't think most of us get it. > > On 3 May 2011 09:53, Jeremy Tonks <[email protected]> wrote: > > Your lack of experience in these matters is getting the best of you Rog. > You should experiment more. I am convinced that it is very effective (in > important matters!). > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Rog & Reet > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 May 2011 7:27 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > If you blokes had spoken to wiser heads on this list you’d have known that > praying is just like Mick. > > A total waste of time as it’s guaranteed to achieve **** all. > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Jeremy Tonks > *Sent:* Monday, 2 May 2011 8:12 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > I’ve been going to mass and my prayers aren’t being answered – I think I’ll > go back to being Anglican! > > > > Too cup focussed – and the ^*&%*() opposition is too good (but I did beat > Chelseadrid yesterday - J J > > > > JT > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Monday, 2 May 2011 7:09 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > You can't let the Wombat's drop down to V. It's only bots and newbies in > there. What's gone wrong? > > On 2 May 2011 17:32, Jeremy Tonks <[email protected]> wrote: > > Don’t look at me Paul – I suggest you cut out the middleman and talk > directly yourself!! > > > > Marcus is right – the only positive was a point that I hadn’t banked but > (but had publicly hoped for). > > > > It was an away game – this Sunday is huge. But it’ll probably still come > down to a win against Blackburn so that we scramble over Wigan and Blackpool > to survival. > > > > > > A bit disappointed – all my ducks were lining up. Walsall won and only need > a draw to survive. Shrewsbury won and a final win would see them promoted. > Bundanoon Wombats had a shock win and will still be relegated. Wolves…? Glad > I don’t get to watch the tripe they’ve dealt out in recent weeks. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Paul Crowe > > > *Sent:* Monday, 2 May 2011 2:45 PM > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > On reflection we were worse than clueless, it was a totally inept and > impotent performance! > > > > I admire some of your continued optimism but my rose coloured glasses now > lie smashed on the floor. Time to wake up to the reality that we are going > down, only a miracle can save us! Over to you Jeremy! > > > > Paul Crowe > > Sales Manager - Asia Pacific > > > > ConTech (Sydney Office) > > > > PO Box 3517 > > Rhodes Waterside > > Rhodes NSW 2138 > > Tel: 02 97396636 Fax: 02 97396542 > > Mob: 0406009562 > > Email: [email protected] > > Website: www.contechengineering.com > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Paul Taylor > *Sent:* Monday, 2 May 2011 2:09 PM > *To:* Wolves > *Subject:* RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > Has he ever taken off Henry? I don't think I've ever seen him subbed. Would > like to have seen Henry subbed by Guedioura on 65 mins last night. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:25:57 +1000 > Subject: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > My choice: > > > > --------------------Henessey------------------------- > > Foley----Stearman----Craddock----George > > Hunt---Guedioura---O'Hara---Milijas---Jarvis > > ---------------------Fletcher---------------------------- > > > > > > Chance of it being picked: > > > > 0% > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
