David et al.

Like my original post indicated, a *colleague* of mine said he did it for
his Senior VP. I didn't think it was possible in W2k and told him so; I was
glad to think that. I fought hard to get rid of it during or migration to
W2k and made a point to tell people the difference between W2k and W9x was
they *had* to logon.

Please be careful who you say does not have a backbone, some people can get
very offended by such an errant offense. Kudos to your research, not
difficult but very well done.

Related point:

You may find interesting as I do a series of documents published by the NSA
about how they suggest securing Windows 2K. You may find their link at
http://nsa2.www.conxion.com/win2k/download.htm

Again - Thank you,
Paul



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From: Ryan Malayter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:05 AM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: Auto logon in W2k....?


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I wouldn't use the automatic login in any situaion except a
public web kiosk. Not even in an educational institution. Why?
For legal reasons. Using autologon disables the basic
non-repudiation functionality that auditing provides in NT. "I
didn't do that." "Oh, yes you did. Look at the system logs."
This auditing information is vital evidence available to network
administrators in a legal contest.

Say someone out there in San Bernadino does something bad with a
univerisity computer. A bad guy prints $10,000 check to
him/serself on the U. accounting system, or loads child
pronography to a web site, or sends an Exchange message to
someone containing racial slurs. Naturally, the Univeristy wants
to deal with the offender legally.

But in your case, they really can't. Anyone (cleaning staff,
students, a passersby) could have done it, since the only access
they would have needed was physical access to a machine. The
person whose login was used can simply say "it wasn't me", and
you won't be able to reasonably show that it was. However, if
passwords were used, passwords were kept secret by a university
policy, and locking screensavers are enforced, the school could
probably show in most cases that the owner of the login used was
the actual offender.

Now, of course digital audit logs can be tampered with by a
skilled attacker. And NT auditing isn't nearly as robust as the
cryptographically secure non-repuditiation offered by systems
like PGP. But I believe that auditing certainlys strengthens the
position of the university in a legal forum. *Especially* when
senior personnel are involved - the U. itself could be liable
for their actions!

:::Ryan Malayter, MCSE
:::Bank Administration Institute
:::Chicago, Illinois, USA


- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul Done [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:40 AM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: Auto logon in W2k....?


Of course not, these are Senior VPs who want a computer that
does everything for them (i.e start up before they walk in,
query email, etc)

The perceived benefit to a W2k "required" logon seemed perfect.
Until someone found tweakui v 1.33. Now logons just take too
long. 

I imagine that there will have to be some autologon using
biometrics when it becomes mainstream. Kind of a waste -eh? 

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