I was thinking of some method of transmitting the catalog
electronically. For example, with Iron Mountain you can supposedly
attach notes, change disposal dates, view location information, etc. for
any of your tapes right from their website. It would seem like a good
extension that you could upload a file catalog for the tape there as
well (assuming there was a reliable way to export it from your very
popular backup software). Sounds like a job for one of the standard XML
schemas.

Another thought is the memory-in-cartridge that many new tape formats
(LTO, AIT) that include a file directory on the cartridge to speed
restore. There are external readers available for these, used mostly for
HSM applications. Couldn't an offsite storage vendor do something with
that?

Now I'm really just dreaming...

-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:47 PM
Posted To: Windows NT/2000 List
Conversation: BackupExec and offsite storage vendors
Subject: RE: BackupExec and offsite storage vendors


Catalog files can be several MB's in size.  I have seen catalog files
fill
up GB's of data in just a couple months time. 

 Think about unboxing every tape, loading it, waiting for it to catalog,
taking it out, putting it back in the box, and then filing it.

Then I have to make sure I have all of the popular tape drives and I
would
also want Veritas and CA (yuck), maybe Legato and Ultrabac and
CommVault.
Updates of those software and hardware, while maintaining backwards
compatibility. 

I just think it is way to specialized for someone to take up without it
being very expensive. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Elkins.Justin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:59 PM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: BackupExec and offsite storage vendors




I think that Ryan is just looking for the vendor to catalog the tapes
this
would just take a relatively small log file. They vender would have time
involved in cataloging. Am I wrong on this.  -----Original Message-----
From:   Wes Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:46 PM
To:     NT 2000 Discussions
Subject:        RE: BackupExec and offsite storage vendors

I would think that would be prohibitively expensive as it would be labor
intensive and require massive amounts of storage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Malayter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:17 PM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: BackupExec and offsite storage vendors


Does anyone know of an offsite storage vendor that will take a
BackupExec
(or other backup software) catalog and store it in their tape-management
database? In a way that you could know the exact contents of a tape
before
calling it out of storage?

Our current provider is all paper-based. We were looking at Iron
Mountain,
which has some web-based tape management, but they don't offer a
cataloging
service. (Their no-tape, backup over-the-internet LiveVault service does
offer such features, but WOW was it expensive and bandwidth intensive).

Am I totally dreaming thinking that someone might offer this feature?

:::Ryan Malayter
:::Network Engineer
:::Bank Administration Institute
:::Chicago, Illinois, USA
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