On 4/11/2023 1:58 AM, Carlos via ntg-context wrote:
I'm just following some of the standalone installation instructions
as per the wiki alongside a TeX Live installation, but there are a
few things that don't add up or I can't seem to add them up :).
first, while I was trying to mtxrun --generate it returned
/usr/bin/env texlua no such file or directory
So I thought heck, perhaps by creating a symbolic link we'll call it
a day, but that wasn't enough, nope.
That # line will go away or change because per 2023 we assume that the
script is run by luametatex and we're in a sort of transition
This is is circa 21st century ladies and gentlemen!
And tex survived more that 4 decades so ... it operates in an eco system
(tds, installations) ... todays fashion is not yesterdays and tomorrows
so I thought, alright, since there seems ot be a a problem with texlua,
let's also add it to path somehow.
i'm not sure what you installed but the stand alone installer installs
luametatex / luatex and therefore has
luametatex
mtxrun -> luametatex
context -> luametatex
mtxrun.lua
context.lua
in the same path (the links are stubs, not uncommon in the tex world
where they are also used to launch macro packages like latex)
it can't be more portable and simple than that, is efficient and works
ok unless one wants some different setup, and spend time on that
So with that out of the way, we'll move on to the next step and change
to a directory and try to call out mtxrun --generate again
It returns:
> ...
But this is the catch. I don't have texmfcnf.lua anymore . Not on
the TeX Live installation anyway if that might've ever materialize
as a question
maybe that was not copied? the fact that we need a configuration and
file database is also pretty much the way a tex installation works (with
allits resources)
If I were to invoke an mtxrun --script cache --erase
Of course and going solely by the above the part whenever it says
resolvers | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua'
on given path '/home/ce/context/bin/texmf/web2c' from specification
'selfautoloc:/texmf/web2c'
wont' find it anywhere because that dir does not exist.
should be there with the installer; if one just installs the 'zip' it
has to come from elsewhere (like texlive, where actually most lives in
texmf-dist) and one has to copy a configuration file to there
But remember that earlier, adding bin to path was necessary to avoid
/usr/bin/env texlua no such file or directory message
But even now while trying to find plain.tex I've come to the conclusion
that it needs it or else fails altogether
The problem is that I don't have plain.tex though.
As a matter of fact the TeX Live installation I currently have,
plain tex is nowhere to be seen, heck, not even latex but only a
handful set of fmtutil fmtuitl-sys mktexfmt and updmap updmap-sys
and the whole remainder of kpathsea but then again this in practice
would not even be needed if at all.
indeed, context doesn't rely on fmtutil etc
In other words, only the TeX Live infrastructure needed which shouldn't
be a problem, right?
But itis: a problem that is.
Besides. The reason I mentioned it is only to serve reference material
, but that's it.
to recap, mtxrun looks for a texmfcnf.lua (which I don't have) and
also for a plain.tex which I don't have either, and also presumably
for a contextcnf.lua (which I have) but the script concept is not so
smart, and finishes off with a final note that says warning: no lua
configuration files found. No shit Sherlock!
Of course it can't find it, because it doesn't exist,
resolvers | resolving | looking for fallback 'contextcnf.lua' on
given path '/home/ce/texmf/web2c' from specification 'home:texmf/web2c'
But at this point and without sugar coating it, the standalone
installation of context proves to be a chore more problematic than
waiting to install over 5gb of TeX Live alone.
hm, worked for quite a while for users; and did you try oen from
https://www.pragma-ade.com/install.htm
The only thing that the installation instructions got right from
the start was the part about running the script with all modules.
I'll probably… and eventually will try to install the whole TeX
Live. But going solely by what the current TeX Live on my machine
looks like, , with just the infrastcucture, while anything mtx was
dropped like a hot potato really, it's a predicament...
not sure what you mean here .. mtxrun was not dropped, tl 2313 just
moved on to lmtx which is even less demanding (unless one starts moveing
files around in the tex infrastruture and then expects stuff to keep
working)
-- Systems programmers are the high priests of a low cult.
-- R.S. Barton
dunno, don't know any of them
-- Real computer scientists don't write code. They occasionally
tinker with `programming systems', but those are so high level that
they hardly count (and rarely count accurately; precision is for
applications).
dunno, never meet computer scientists (only met DEK)
-- FORTRAN is not a flower but a weed -- it is hardy, occasionally
blooms, and grows in every computer.
-- A.J. Perlis
could be, but that's true for all computer relates stuff that is looked
back at a decade later
Hans
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