Caught up in other work right now JP (translation), and already evening
here, so it might be tomorrow before I can get back to this. I'll let
you know how it goes.
Julian
On 17/8/26 17:03, Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context wrote:
Hi Julian,
After looking at this more carefully, it seems that the current
ConTeXt APA specification does not provide structured support for
an |originalyear| or |origdate| field. In |publ-imp-apa.lua|,
|year| is recognized, but I cannot see an equivalent field for the
original publication date. So the present APA definitions do not
appear to model this information as a standard bibliographic field.
Without modifying the APA style itself, the simplest way to obtain
the form you want would therefore be not to use
|alternative=authoryear|, since that already supplies |1998|, but
to request the author only and provide the two dates together as
|righttext|:
\cite
[alternative=author,
righttext={ca. 350 BCE/1998}]
[main::aristotle1998]
This should give something like:
(Aristotle, ca. 350 BCE/1998)
Ideally, of course, one would like to be able to write something
conceptually like:
@book{aristotle1998,
author = {Aristotle},
title = {Poetics},
year = {1998},
originalyear = {ca. 350 BCE},
...
}
and have the APA renderer automatically combine |originalyear| and
|year| as |ca. 350 BCE/1998|. But as far as I can see, the present
ConTeXt APA implementation does not yet do that.
Could you test the |alternative=author| + |righttext| form and
tell me whether the result is what you were aiming for? If not,
I’ll look for something closer.
JP
Le 17/08/2026 à 08:36, jbf a écrit :
Well, I intended off-list, but hit the send button too early! Still
and all, the question might interest others.
Julian
On 17/8/26 16:34, jbf wrote:
JP, off-list for the moment just to clarify a small detail.
How can I get something like (Aristotle, ca. 350 BCE./1998)? APA
indicates this possibility, but so far the best I can come up with,
using righttext, is something like (Aristotle, 1998, original ca.
350 BCE)
Julian
On 16/8/26 17:41, Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context wrote:
Hi Julian,
I think there are actually two possible approaches here, depending
on whether you want to keep this entirely within your present APA
setup, or whether Augustine is part of a larger body of
patristic/classical material for which a canonical-reference model
would be useful.
1. Keep APA and add the canonical locator only to the citation
occurrence
If all your other references are author–year, I would probably keep
your present APA setup unchanged.
ConTeXt citations can take a |righttext| parameter. With APA this
is particularly convenient because |righttext| is added as
supplementary material inside the parenthetical citation.
So instead of:
\cite[authoryear][main::augustine1991confessions]
you can use:
\cite
[alternative=authoryear,
righttext={X.33.50}]
[main::augustine1991confessions]
which should give:
(Augustine, 1991, X.33.50)
while all your ordinary citations can remain:
\cite[authoryear][main::someotherwork]
and continue to produce the normal:
(Author, 2020)
If you want the work title to be explicit as well, you could
equally write:
\cite
[alternative=authoryear,
righttext={{\em Confessions} X.33.50}]
[main::augustine1991confessions]
The useful distinction here is that |X.33.50| belongs to this
particular *citation occurrence*, not to the bibliographic identity
of the 1991 edition. So there is no need to add it permanently to
the |.bib| record, nor to create a special rendering just for
Augustine.
2. Use SBL modelling if Augustine is part of a larger
patristic/classical corpus
If, however, the book contains many references to Augustine or
other ancient/patristic texts with canonical locators, then the
module |context-sbl| may be worth considering.
The SBL implementation provides a |@classictext| category
specifically for classical texts and ancient works by Church
Fathers. In that model, the ancient work itself can be kept
distinct from the modern edition or translation being used.
Schematically:
@classictext{augustine-confessions,
author = {Augustine},
title = {Confessions},
shorttitle = {Conf.},
crossref = {augustine1991confessions},
}
@book{augustine1991confessions,
...
}
The canonical locator then belongs to the citation of the ancient
work, while the 1991 translation remains the bibliographic edition
behind it.
This is a more structural solution than |righttext|, and is useful
when canonical references are not merely occasional exceptions but
a recurring feature of the document.
So, roughly:
APA + righttext
-> simplest solution for a few isolated canonical locators
SBL + @classictext
-> structural solution for a corpus of ancient or patristic texts
I would not switch an otherwise APA-based document to SBL merely to
solve one Augustine citation. For your present example, |righttext|
is probably the simplest and most appropriate answer.
Incidentally, your question is very useful feedback for the new
bibliography material on the ConTeXt Garden. This particular case —
keeping an author–year style while adding a canonical or
work-specific locator only to selected citation occurrences —
deserves a small explicit example there.
I should also mention that ANSS-CE is expected to receive, this
autumn, a set of additional chapters devoted specifically to
bibliography and citation management in ConTeXt. Those chapters are
currently being written and are intended to provide a more
systematic treatment of datasets, renderings, local and cumulative
bibliographies, citation occurrences and locators, specialised
styles such as SBL, and multilingual or multiscript bibliography.
That does not make the Garden material redundant. On the contrary,
the Garden remains the natural place for concise, task-oriented
examples and for cases that emerge from actual user questions —
like this one.
Best,
JP
Le 16/08/2026 à 01:54, jbf a écrit :
It is possible that the answer to my question already lies
somewhere in the extensive (new) bibliography material in
contextgarden, but if so I have missed it. And indeed it may be a
very simple solution, but I can't work it out at the moment.
I am typesetting an academic work by an author who wants local
(end of chapter) bibliographies as well as, obviously, a final
complete bibliography. No problem. I can do that and in fact have
done so successfully. My problem lies with one particular set of
citations from Augustine's/Confessions/, where the canonical
references are something like Augustine, 1991, /Confessions/
X.33.50. All I can manage to produce at the moment is the usual
author-year APA inline format (Augustine, 1991) [Obviously we are
referring to a modern 1991 translation, but that is immaterial here].
My current set up is:
\usebtxdataset
[main]
[references.bib]
\usebtxdefinitions
[apa]
\definebtxrendering
[chapterlist]
[apa]
[dataset=main,
sorttype=authoryear]
\definebtxrendering
[finallist]
[apa]
[dataset=main,
sorttype=authoryear]
And where I need to reference Augustine inline I write, e.g.
\cite[authoryear][main::augustine1991confessions] which gives me
(Augustine, 1991). Is there is a way I can also include X.33.50 in
this inline reference, but only for the Augustine citations? All
other citations are strictly author-year.
Julian
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