I don't know about the "double NAT" issue.  We do it ALL the time - it should 
be 100% transparent to apps, unless some sort of addressing info is in the 
packet payload, and most NAT'ing devices today address NATing that as well.

Anyway, I'll review the link in more detail but some thoughts:

" I want daily and monthly running totals for each port on the RB 250G (ie each 
VLAN)"

Running totals of what?  If it's basic layer 2/3 info (bytes, packets, etc.) 
perhaps snmp would be a better choice?  Else, I *think* nTop clusters (I think 
they're called clusters now, were communities) will work for you.  For each 
VLAN you will create a cluster.  nTop will then summarize / aggregate data on 
cluster (VLAN) boundaries.  Then you can drill into the cluster for host level 
info - if you wish.

It seems like you're wanting basic network accounting?  nTop will do that to 
some extent, but was designed to provide greater detail (layer 4+ info at the 
host level).  There are some args you can start ntop with to track only by 
network level - this may work for you as well.  It's intended for ISP, Public 
NAP's,etc. that don't care to track at the host level but need some detailed 
info at the network level.

Don't worry about traffic overhead from netflow.  Unless there is some sort of 
attack / probe / malware on the net creating/destroying thousands of 
connections per second, the overhead is very low - nothing to worry about.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Gould
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Ntop] split result by network

This is exactly long the lines of what I'm trying to do as well...

http://home.bowenvale.co.nz/wp/concept.jpg

Except I don't have "ports" on a router, but I'm planning networks on 
vlans (per the diagram above).

The RB 750G is a mikrotik router that spits out netflow data.  My plan 
is to set up vlans to the RB 250G (which is a layer 2 managed switch).

So Vlan 10 - 192.168.1.0/24, Vlan 30 - 192.168.2.0/24, Vlan 30 - 
192.168.3.0/24, etc

The reason I'm thinking this is because I don't want the users to run 
NAT routers because I'd then end up with double natting, which will 
upset some apps.

My current thinking is that perhaps I set up private AS ranges then use 
ntop to consolidate the data that way.   I want daily and monthly 
running totals for each port on the RB 250G (ie each VLAN)

D

On 29/01/2011 5:19 a.m., Gary Gatten wrote:
> I think there may be several ways to achieve what you wish.  The question is, 
> what exactly do you want to split?  If it's "all" traffic data (detailed), 
> you'll need netflow with different logical netflow interfaces for each of the 
> three interfaces you are monitoring.  If you just want summary data (bytes 
> and packets Tx and Rx, etc.) grouped by each network range you are monitoring 
> - you can use clusters / communities; one for each network range.
>
> You network diagram didn't format clearly for me.  If you need additional 
> assistance, please attach network diagram in a txt file and include what type 
> of network equipment you have.  Or, spell out specifically what problem(s) 
> your trying to address.
>
> HTH
>
> G
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Zorg
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:57 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Ntop] split result by network
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a network which looks like this :
>
>
> ____
> |  1 |
> |___|____________
>                             |
>                             |
> ____                    |
> |  2 |                   |                    ________
> |___|____________|ROUTER|__| NTOP |
>                             |                   |_place_|
>                             |
> ____                    |
> | 3  |                   |
> |___|____________|
>
>
> 1 = 192.168.1.0
> 2 = 192.168.2.0
> 3 = 192.168.3.0
> NTOP = 192.168.4.0
>
>
> I would like to monitor traffic from place 1, place 2, place 3 to NTOP
> place. Is it possible to split info (as if i had 3 differents
> interfaces), it will be a "logical split".
>
> An other solution is to put nprobe/netflow on each 1, 2, 3, and to
> create 1 interface by nprobe, but i'm afraid that send netflow traffic
> and network traffic on the same link full the link, what do you think
> about it?
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