Burton

All right, got the response I was after "net-etiquette" see I haven't come
across this (in this detail), thanks for explaining it.  I realise there
are more then MS email clients out there (I've used about 7 others
Linux/win).  I just wanted to know what's the "right" way to do it and if
the ">" all over the place was just because that's the way it is done or
misconfigured email clients.  Well I can't figure out how to stop outlook
sticking in all the extra line breaks with ">" prefixing every line :/ Do
any email clients out there do it right? Cause yours doesn't appear to do
it right either. . . . Also since this is a mailing-list wouldn't we just
leave out the numerous other messages and just write a direct reply to the
email we are reading then you can sort your email so you can read each
message "like water" and not have to read 10 lines for 5 words . . . The
">" thing seems a little floored to me due to the fact people don't care
that their email client isn't able to format the messages properly. I'd
rather just start with the last message in the email and read my way up.
Much easier to read imo. And if I'm keeping track of a particular
discussion, like am here with "A step by step guide", I would much prefer
to read the response rather then sit here trying to decipher inline/bottom
of message/buggered ">" indented text. . Of course just my opinion. . .
(like seriously how easy is it to just read this reply at the top instead
of having to scroll all the way to the bottom, or where the current reply
starts, might even be one of those inline responses that are just tricky to
read??)

As for the "RE:" thing, I don't think it is windows-centric, that's where
it usually goes, from my experience that's where its always been. Web mail
(hotmail (as I recall hotmail use to run Unix machines), yahoo, squielmail,
mbox.com.au, Netscape, ekno, mail.com, etc) Email clients (Outlook, Eudora,
Mozilla, Outlook Express, Thunderbird, etc), even all the replies I've seen
come in so far from this mailing list (minus the one I'm complaining about)
have the "RE:" at the beginning of the subject.  That's why I brought that
one up.  Also I know Germany I think don't use "RE:" they use "AWT:" but
its still at the beginning. . . As for paying, exact format, Outlook takes
care of the format, I was simply asking if "RE:" could be kept at the
beginning of the subject instead of being moved in 1 word. . . Seem
"net-etiquette" to have the "RE:" at the beginning . . . .

--------
Back on Topic
--------

You know I did read that bit (disk usage = # hosts) and it dawned on me as
I was writing the email that that was the case, but for some reason I still
stuck it in there, I'm a tool :/

As to the demanding bit, the person stated "you WILL need a decent amount
of drive space." so I was just being like (pretend the next quoted
statement follows something like 'it gets HOT in the desert') "so how hot
does it get in the desert?" (asking for a rough temperature range) like I
wasn't "Tell me exactly how much disk space it WILL require and then I'll
decide IF I want to talk to you some more".  And for the next paragraph
(well I've all ready said I was a tool for including it). Then the last I
was just trying to give some background/operating environment details, so
that if what he was suggesting is not really for me it would save him time
going through it with me. . . 

Also I forgot to say thanks at the end, which I apologise for, I'll
remember to do it next time.

Easy response to read,

Happy days for all,

Nick

PS: none of that verbatim up there (above "Back on Topic") requires a
response, that's just my opinion.


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Burton
M. Strauss III
Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Ntop] A step by step guide?

Let's see... for one who is asking for help, one has a very windows-centric
view of the world and also is quite demanding...  Especially to the
individual who is offering (or was offering) his personal work product to
solve your perceived need.

WRT to your PS: The entire world does not use only a single mail client.
Take risks.  Live a little.   BE FLEXIBLE WHEN YOU ARE ASKING FOR HELP.  If
you are paying somebody for their work, you have the right to specify the
format.  Otherwise, the onus is upon you <insert preferred derogatory
word>.

WRT to your PPS: Actually, proper net-etiquette is to put one's comments at
the BOTTOM of the message so the whole thing flows like water.

Of course the problem with leaving the various generations of messages in
the text is that your lame email program breaks at 75, but when it then
prefixes the 75 character line with "> ", it now breaks it into two:

> Hello There

becomes
> >Hello
> There

So once again, be careful of applying the actions and conventions of a
single email client program to the entire world.  Much like not everyone
speaks English, not every mail program works the same way...


We now return you to your question:


If you were to have read the docs/FAQ (the current, 3.0 version, that is),
there are discussions about ntop's memory usage - it's NOT dependent upon
the # of machines in your network, but rather dependent upon the # of hosts
ntop see packets to/from.  That is upon the # of hosts contacting your
network + the # of hosts being contacted by hosts on your network.  Your
Kazza request hits 1000 servers?  That 1000+1 (your local machine) hosts.
Etc.

There are switches and filters you can use to limit this, all discussed in
docs/FAQ.

READ IT.

-----Burton


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