Because consumer removable media has a known poor stored shelf-life and no fault tolerance?
-- Espi On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: > I’m curious to understand why that would change anything.**** > > ** ** > > Cheers**** > > Ken**** > > ** ** > > --**** > > http://au.linkedin.com/in/kschaefer**** > > Typed on a Lenovo Helix – apologies for brevity**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Micheal Espinola Jr > *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 August 2013 12:09 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] Anyone have a trick for ZIP's**** > > ** ** > > My assumption would be that this was regarding removable media.**** > > > **** > > -- > Espi**** > > **** > > ** ** > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > Isn't 5 years a bit arbitrary? Don't most media have standards for > expected longevity and expected error rates over time? > > Maybe for your more critical data, your risk management plan would call > for rewriting the data to somewhere else, but mostly this is simply not > feasible at any scale, or especially if you're buying a service from a > service provider - e.g. we have EMC that manages our in-house SANs. We'd > probably be pretty foolish to write into the contract that they need to > replace all the hard drives in every SAN every 5 years. As a large bank (I > think we are 15th by market cap world wide), we have staggeringly large > amounts of data (as in the number of pieces of data, not necessarily the > raw size). Rewriting all of this every 5 years would be a hugely expensive > exercise, and not one we'd undertake without understanding the risks we're > mitigating (not to mention the risks we're introducing e.g. due to mistakes > that might be made) > > Cheers > Ken**** > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff**** > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013 11:29 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Anyone have a trick for ZIP's > > Yes, not data destruction, but media replacement. It achieves two things: > > 1) verification of data on old media > 2) see #1 > > Kurt > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Jon Harris <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think he is referring to the media needing to be replaced where > > possible by newer media ever 5 years. > > > > Jon > > > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 09:32:00 -0400 > >> Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Anyone have a trick for ZIP's > >> > >> Where did "5 years" come from? That might not comply with some org's > >> policies. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Don Guyer > >> Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory & > >> Messaging Services > >> 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 > >> email: [email protected] > >> Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 For > >> immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the > >> helpdesk @ 610-492-3839. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff > >> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 10:05 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Anyone have a trick for ZIP's > >> > >> Perhaps the lesson to take from it is that any media older than 5 > >> years should be destroyed... > >> > >> Well, maybe that, and copy any data off to new media. > >> > >> Kurt > >> > >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Jon Harris <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Micheal the eraser helped some and Sam despite you making a joke > >> > your trick worked to some degree as well. I think as Daniel and > >> > Micheal pointed out the antistatic was/is sticking to the actual > >> > disk. I will try a modification of Daniel's idea and freeze thaw it > >> > and see if I can get it unstuck without damaging the disk. The > >> > first one I tried is at least now doing something but it is giving > >> > me the "click of death". To answer my own question I found no wood > >> > pencils in the office but did find a couple of mechanical pencils > >> > within the network group. One of the secretaries/clerks/helpdesk > >> > staff had a pen with a very nice eraser which I liberated and will > >> > be returning to keep her happy. > >> > > >> > Professional retrieval was never an option. The data is not > >> > relevant to current business needs and was more for historical > >> > desire/needs of the client. Once all recoverable data is recovered > >> > the client wants all previous media formats destroyed to prevent > >> > future requests from this media being possible. I suspect that the > >> > client was pushed to look for something by someone else and now > >> > wants to make sure this never happens again. Funny thing is the > >> > client never even gave me an idea of WHAT they were actually > >> > looking for, I don't think they know what they were looking for, not > that it matters. > >> > > >> > I will update the list, as to me at least, this has been > >> > instructive to some degree. > >> > > >> > Jon > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 17:37:13 -0500 > >> > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Anyone have a trick for ZIP's > >> > From: [email protected] > >> > To: [email protected] > >> > > >> > Blow in it like an old Nintendo game! > >> > > >> > Warning: Don't listen to me. > >> > > >> > On Aug 2, 2013 4:22 PM, "Daniel Chenault" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> > Put it in a Baggie and freeze it overnight. Then try to get some > >> > movement > >> > (gently!) and let it warm back to room temp and see if the > >> > contraction and expansion jarred it loose. > >> > Failing that: it's not a sealed enclosure from what I remember. Set > >> > it up decently clean space, wear gloves and disassemble it. Use a > >> > q-tip and denatured alcohol to clean all possible sticky points. > >> > Reassemble and cross your fingers. > >> > If all else fails there's the expensive data retrieval services. > >> > Only you or mgmt can determine if the data is worth it. > >> > > >> > And all this science I don't understand It's just my job five days > >> > a week > >> > > >> > Elton John "Rocket Man" > >> > > >> > On Aug 2, 2013, at 15:54, "Micheal Espinola Jr" > >> > <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > :-) Other than that, I'm pretty sure they are just like traditional > >> > floppies, and are floating in between two layers of antistatic > >> > felt-like material. There shouldnt be anything to worry about in > >> > terms of breaking any mechanics. > >> > > >> > Giving this more thought, something I can recall from many years > >> > ago in dealing with similar issues, was lightly twisting the casing. > >> > Holding the disk with two hands, use one hand to twist in one > >> > directions, while simultaneously twisting in the opposite direction > >> > with the other hand. > >> > > >> > This would be something akin to trying to twist and break it - but > >> > you want to do it very lightly in order to break the vaporlock (for > >> > lack of a better way to describe it) inside the disk. I have done > >> > this with 3.5in floppies - and it may work with Zip disks too. > >> > > >> > Good luck! > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Espi > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Jon Harris <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> > I have been able to get some movement, lateral only and very little > >> > even then, (forgot the pencil eraser trick) but could not get it to > >> > revolve around the center hole. I will see if I can find a pencil, > >> > do people still use them? > >> > > >> > Jon > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > From: [email protected] > >> > Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 13:07:13 -0700 > >> > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Anyone have a trick for ZIP's > >> > To: [email protected] > >> > > >> > > >> > Oh, physically frozen? IIRC, the disk is free-floating in its > >> > housing, with an exposed metal disk on its underside that is at the > >> > center of the magnetic media. Have you tried using your fingers (or > >> > perhaps pencil erasers) to manually try to spin it? Have you tried > >> > giving it a light shake? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Espi > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Jon Harris <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> > Nope no sound at all. I think the disk is frozen within the housing > >> > but I don't have the tools to look at this without destruction of > >> > the housing or the disk. I almost wish it were the click of death > >> > at least then I would know. > >> > > >> > Jon > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > From: [email protected] > >> > To: [email protected] > >> > Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Anyone have a trick for ZIP's > >> > Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 09:56:31 -0500 > >> > > >> > > >> > Click of Death?... > >> > > >> > Oh ZIP Disks…. [Shudders] > >> > > >> > From: [email protected] > >> > [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > On Behalf Of Jon Harris > >> > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 9:28 PM > >> > To: [email protected] > >> > Subject: [NTSysADM] Anyone have a trick for ZIP's > >> > > >> > I have some ZIP disks that appear to be frozen i.e. will not turn. > >> > I would really like to get a look at the contents of these disks. > >> > Anyone have any tricks for freeing them up again? They have not > >> > been touched in years possibly as many as 10 maybe more. From the > >> > ones I have been able to get data from the last dates were early to > mid 2000. > >> > > >> > Thanks for any ideas, > >> > > >> > Jon > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> Confidentiality Notice: > >> This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic > >> Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended > >> recipient(s). > >> It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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