In this particular case, it has no bearing. See my note to Ken. Kurt
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]> wrote: > *>>Nope. Does that matter?** > * > Yes, it most certainly does. > > Surely, you aren't suggesting that scale is not a factor in design and > implementation considerations? > > It's a well known fact that everyone outside of a failure is smarter than > all the people inside the failure -- right up until they aren't. > > > > > > *ASB > **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* <http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker>* > **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) > for the SMB market…*** > > > > > On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Nope. Does that matter? Well, I suppose you think it does, but I doubt >> it. With scale should come resources, and the NSA obviously does have >> resources, including people with far more training, and who of whom >> are smarter, than me. >> >> There are no excuses for this. >> >> Kurt >> >> On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: >> > You've designed "more secure" systems at scale (40K+ employees) in an >> information heavy organisation (bank, accountancy etc.)? >> > >> > Cheers >> > Ken >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff >> > Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013 4:01 AM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Re: Finally. >> > >> > Aside from reading all those Le Carre novels? >> > >> > I've already designed more secure systems than were obviously in place, >> as have many people on this list, perhaps including you. >> > >> > Kurt >> > >> > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> And what are your qualifications/experience, that allow you to make >> >> such a call? (I’m assuming that you have no inside knowledge of how >> >> the NSA works, and are relying on the public speculation/allegations >> >> at el Reg etc.) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> Ken >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> On Behalf Of Kurt Buff >> >> Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013 12:03 AM >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Re: Finally. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On the evidence, absolutely. >> >> >> >> For an intelligence/espionage operation to be so thoroughly pwned >> >> because of such amazingly poor internal operational security, there >> >> can be only one conclusion - management responsible for internal >> security should be fired. >> >> >> >> I'm just glad they weren't, and I hope that what Snowden took is >> >> enough to bring them down, and that it's all revealed to the public. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kurt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> So, you’re saying that the feared NSA, which has a bunch of >> >> un-discovered rootkits, which able to undertake some of the most >> >> advanced espionage in the world, is managed by idiots? Seriously? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> On Behalf Of Jon Harris >> >> Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2013 6:17 AM >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Re: Finally. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Generally from I have seen in state (Florida) organizations is that >> >> they don't like promoting anyone but a moron into supervisory >> positions. >> >> Occasionally someone will make a mistake and promote an intelligent >> >> person but not often. I would suspect this is the case with the Feds >> >> as well (worked with them too). Several times I have seen them hire >> >> those with less brains and longer tongues and large lips over those >> >> with brains. As long as this keeps happening then we will continue to >> >> see this happen. It will be a long time before they get rid of all >> >> the defective management personnel as I would think private companies >> >> would have little to gain by keeping them (maybe why they seem to >> >> concentrate in public jobs?) and in a government job it is MUCH harder >> to get rid of them. >> >> >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:34:15 -0400 >> >> Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Re: Finally. >> >> From: [email protected] >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> >> +13 >> >> >> >> On Aug 30, 2013 11:05 AM, "Kurt Buff" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I accidentally hit CTRL-Enter before finishing that email... and >> >>> apparently that's a shortcut to instantly-send a message in Gmail. >> Yay! I >> >>> love learning new things... but anyways - So, yea, this Forbes >> article was >> >>> the first I have seen that highlights the real underlying IT problem >> >>> regarding Snowden - aside from other OT issues. >> >> <snip> >> >>>> >> >>>> I may have missed some article by someone else somewhere, but Its to >> >>>> see Forbes 'get it' before anyone else... >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/08/30/if-the-nsa-really >> >>>> -let-edward-snowden-do-this-then-someone-needs-to-be-fired/ >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Espi >> >> >> >> >> >> Agreed- massive failure on the part of many people in the NSA in >> >> implementing security procedures. >> >> >> >> Of course, what Snowden showed, beyond that, is the massive failure >> >> that is government policy and practices regarding >> >> surveillance/espionage in general, so I'm actually quite happy Snowden >> >> was able to do what he did. >> >> >> >> Kurt >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >
