Or, like Ben said: users.
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Rankin, James R <[email protected]>wrote: > ** > Your implementation must be failing somewhere. Bite the bullet and get > Webster in. > > Sent from my (new!) BlackBerry, which may make me an antiques dealer, but > it's reliable as hell for email delivery :-) > ------------------------------ > *From: * Jon D <[email protected]> > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:36:59 -0400 > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [NTSysADM] VPN and high bandwidth applications > > Nah, they've hated it for 10+ years through tons of different versions and > builds. > I think it's just that they have probably 50+ apps, apps that link to > other apps, and they do a lot of intensive work. > It's not just published word and excel. > > They also have a hard time understand latency and home bandwidth. When the > husband is watching Netflix, and the kids are downloading bit torrent, > yeah, your Citrix experience may not be the best. Had one user mad that > Citrix has horrible. Turned out she was using a Verizon 3G hotspot 8 hours > a day. Latency maybe? > > And of course simple things like timeouts, they can't stand. They want to > Citrix to stay open all day while they take 3 hour breaks. > > Really though, I've yet to talk to anyone who uses XenApp who likes it at > any company. > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Webster <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Something must be wrong with your XenApp implementation if users hate >> it.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Webster**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jon D >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2013 2:53 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] VPN and high bandwidth applications**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks for everyone's responses so far! Responses below:**** >> >> **** >> >> >>Wouldn't something like Citrix XenApp offload the performance hit onto >> the local network for your remote users? **** >> >> Good suggestion. We're actually already using it(have been for 10+ >> years), but end-users hate it. **** >> >> I might end up trying something like XenDesktop and see if they like that >> better just for remote access....**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> >>It is, however, something that WAN accelerators were designed to help >> mitigate.**** >> >> I saw that Riverbed has a mobile client which sounds interesting. **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> >>So normally the SQL traffic is between the users desktop and the sql >> backend?**** >> >> Yeah for some of the apps the traffic from the workstation can easily hit >> 100megs doing a normal operation or query. **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> >>A VPN is just a network link. Nothing more, nothing less. Think of it >> like a really long Ethernet cable.**** >> >> Very good point. I'm over thinking it. I think the end-users have psyched >> me out by keep saying all other companies have VPNs. It seems like using a >> VPN w/o something like RDP or Citrix is only useful for simple apps like >> outlook/word/excel/etc.**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> Summary: Sounds like a VPN is what it is, and something like Citrix is >> the current best solution for chatty apps...**** >> >> **** >> >> >> Thanks,**** >> >> Jon**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Ben Scott <[email protected]> wrote:* >> *** >> >> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Jon D <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I'm not an expert with VPNs...**** >> >> A VPN is just a network link. Nothing more, nothing less. Think of >> it like a really long Ethernet cable.**** >> >> >> > Is it possible to have end-users use any sort of VPN technology to >> access >> > high-bandwidth apps?**** >> >> (1) I'm with others in the "Use a VPN to access the network >> remotely; use RDP (or Citrix or whatever) to run applications that >> aren't WAN friendly" camp. I see them as complementary technologies, >> not replacements for each other. >> >> (2) Bandwidth is only part of the equation. Latency (AKA packet >> delay AKA round trip time) is just as important. Indeed, latency is >> usually more of a problem these days, because everybody's talking >> bandwidth and ignoring latency, so you have to fight just to find >> someone who understands the problem. In other words: If you have a >> gigabit link with RTT at 300 ms, it will still feel like an old analog >> modem. >> >> -- Ben >> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> > >
