There appears to be a new MSDN option - MSDN Platforms - includes OSes and 
servers (but not Office). Available as volume licensing only (but I thought 
buying a single MSDN license qualified for Open - not sure about that). It's 
still more expensive than TechNet Pro (and doesn't include Office), but might 
be attractive to SysAdmins (and due to cost / no Office - might not be as 
exploitable as Technet Pro)

Cheers
Ken

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Charles Sullivan
Sent: Friday, 4 April 2014 2:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Start Menu returns

Ken pointed out the big price difference that the pirates would have to pay for 
MSDN over Technet, which I hadn't considered.

I guess only time will tell whether they are willing to shell out the bucks for 
MSDN, then just sell the software at a higher price.  "Sorry folks, my 
wholesale price has dramatically increased.  The only way I can keep selling 
you software at a great price is if I double it."

Charlie Sullivan
Sr. Windows Systems Administrator

From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 11:19 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Start Menu returns

So, why is an MSDN subscription any different?  Have the MS bean counters 
determined that angering developers and losing the revenue from the expensive 
MSDN subscriptions will cost more than the revenue lost from the pirating of 
MSDN media?

Charlie Sullivan
Sr. Windows Systems Administrator

From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:07 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Start Menu returns

They won't bring back Technet because it was being abused (where do you think 
all those $10 copies of Windows and Office where being sold via?). Those dodgy 
websites would buy up thousands of Technet subscriptions, and then sell the MAK 
enabled products for next to nothing. Microsoft first tried restricting the 
keys (remember when you could get 500 activations out of a single Technet MAK 
key, and it went down to 10?)

As for the Start Menu - surely there must have been people in Microsoft with 
24"+ screens, and running a metro app taking up the whole screen was just 
stupid. I'm guessing this was supposed to be there all along, but never made 
the first cut of the code. It's like Vista all over again - takes a couple of 
years to get everything smoothed out.

Cheers
Ken

From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Rankin
Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2014 7:27 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [NTSysADM] Start Menu returns

So the Start Menu is coming back to Windows 8!
Is this a new direction from MS, actually listening to what certain subsets of 
users want? If it is, then I'm impressed.
I doubt very much they will bring TechNet back to us also though....I think 
that interferes too much with what they're hoping to do with Cloud OS.
My 2 cents.


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