So what WAS that Chuck Miller doing, anyway??
-sc From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Kramer, Jack Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 8:28 PM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] RE: As data loss disasters go... Now that's old! And for history's sake-I'm pretty sure Open Transport did in fact introduce AppleTalk over TCP/IP. -Jack- On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare <scaes...@caesare.com> wrote: This is the earliest post from myself I could find on WINNT-L: Subject: <image003.png> Re: Macintosh -> NT using TCP/IP? <http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PEACH.exe?A2=WINNT-L;6aa35e8d.96 11A> From: <image003.png> dbs <d...@crl.com> Reply-To: <image003.png> Windows NT Discussion List <winn...@peach.ease.lsoft.com> Date: <image003.png> Mon, 4 Nov 1996 08:27:55 -0800 Content-Type: <image003.png> text/plai Hmm, maybe I've missed something since Apple released Open Transport, as I really haven't messed with it. But the problem with this situation *USED* to be that Macs didn't implement AFP (Apple Filing Protocol) over TCP/IP, only over Local/EtherTalk. So even though you were running IP on the Mac, it was only good for FTP, HTTP, PING, etc..., not any of the LAN services like AppleShare, Print Sharing, etc... In order to accommodate this, NT was built with the SFM talking directly to the internal TDI, that's why it doesn't show up in the bindings list. For instance, in looking at bindings for my Ethernet card I see Server-->TCP/IP-->NetCard. However, there is no listing for SFM, thus it is NOT bound to the TCP/IP stack, and thus wouldn't be able to service AFP requests even if they did arrive over TCP/IP! So, in order for this to be resolved, two things will have to happen: 1) Apple rewrite the net stuff to allow AFP over TCP/IP. (Maybe this is already done w/ Open Transport??) 2) MS will have to rewrite the Services for Mac to allow them to bind to TCP/IP. (This does *NOT* appear to be done in NT4.0sp1) Now, however, I'd like to know how Chuck Miller is accessing his Notes database w/ Macs using IP only. Are you using a web browser?? Is it possible you're running EtherTalk AND TCP/IP and not realizing it? Am I dense enuff to be missing something REALLY big here?? (Getting rid of AppleTalk on a LAN, and even better yet, getting Mac IP services over a WAN would be GREAT!!) Thanks in advance for taking time to answer... <----====<>====----> Steven M. Caesare Digital Business Solutions EMail: d...@crl.com Voice/Fax: (510)538-4250 From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of J- P Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 10:35 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] RE: As data loss disasters go... I was on the winnt-l <http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/winnt-l.html> since 99 (i was in school and doing my first helpdesk job with these relics http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/f0/47/ea/f047ea4e754472c31ca11a78 5651184f.jpg ) My main function was going out on the floor and rebooting :) Then we upgraded to w95 computers with a whopping 8 mb of ram ________________________________ Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] RE: As data loss disasters go... From: dani...@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 06:18:16 -0700 To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Not sure how long I've been on this list. At least fifteen years unless I'm thinking of another list. On Jun 20, 2014, at 3:16, "Ken Schaefer" <k...@kj.net.au> wrote: It could even be said last millennium... It has been interesting watching where people have gone over that time -- http://au.linkedin.com/in/kschaefer <http://au.linkedin.com/in/kschaefer> From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith Sent: Friday, 20 June 2014 2:23 PM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] RE: As data loss disasters go... You were here when I got here - late in the last century. You are more exempt than I. Not many others have been here as long as we have... J We post with old bits. J From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Free, Bob Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 7:41 PM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] RE: As data loss disasters go... MBS was exempted from the sarcasm tag requirement sometime in the previous century....as were a few others... From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jake Gardner Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 6:23 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] RE: As data loss disasters go... I was in the middle of my first cup of coffee... I can't read sarcasm till at least 10am. Thanks, Jake Gardner IT Administrator 267-352-2020 Ext. 246 www.ttcdas.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ttcdas.com/&k=4%2 BViHuL0UtSJBpVrYi3EdQ%3D%3D%0a&r=Jek3QSvahmIrNAN1nuPfQA%3D%3D%0a&m=kGaP6 /7eteVMLkQLzqIvLmGAZ3f7de%2BctUnTOzNYZ%2Bo%3D%0a&s=a8dc0897d78e3824b501e 2708681724f66892247465b264b2368cb9174d7f639> From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:06 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] RE: As data loss disasters go... Sorry, you don't know me very well. J I was being sarcastic. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jake Gardner Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:28 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] RE: As data loss disasters go... Interesting that the article mentions nothing BUT the cloud and they lost almost everything. Thanks, Jake Gardner IT Administrator 267-352-2020 Ext. 246 www.ttcdas.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ttcdas.com/&k=4%2 BViHuL0UtSJBpVrYi3EdQ%3D%3D%0a&r=Jek3QSvahmIrNAN1nuPfQA%3D%3D%0a&m=kGaP6 /7eteVMLkQLzqIvLmGAZ3f7de%2BctUnTOzNYZ%2Bo%3D%0a&s=a8dc0897d78e3824b501e 2708681724f66892247465b264b2368cb9174d7f639> From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:10 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] RE: As data loss disasters go... The cloud is far more secure. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jake Gardner Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:03 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [NTSysADM] RE: As data loss disasters go... Ouch! Thanks, Jake Gardner IT Administrator 267-352-2020 Ext. 246 www.ttcdas.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ttcdas.com/&k=4%2 BViHuL0UtSJBpVrYi3EdQ%3D%3D%0a&r=Jek3QSvahmIrNAN1nuPfQA%3D%3D%0a&m=kGaP6 /7eteVMLkQLzqIvLmGAZ3f7de%2BctUnTOzNYZ%2Bo%3D%0a&s=a8dc0897d78e3824b501e 2708681724f66892247465b264b2368cb9174d7f639> From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Gavin Wilby Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 7:08 AM To: 'ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com' Subject: [NTSysADM] As data loss disasters go... http://pastebin.com/WvtjMe9T <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://pastebin.com/WvtjMe9T &k=4%2BViHuL0UtSJBpVrYi3EdQ%3D%3D%0a&r=Jek3QSvahmIrNAN1nuPfQA%3D%3D%0a&m =kGaP6/7eteVMLkQLzqIvLmGAZ3f7de%2BctUnTOzNYZ%2Bo%3D%0a&s=6aff013144ad325 a35153e49bf900428a12aca81e38694215bcdfa5099aa178c> This kinda is at the top of the tree. 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