I have.  My next question will be to see their latest SAS 70 or sr16 to see if 
they get away with this at other institutions?
Talked with a finance company today that stated they had asked and are 
continuing to ask for an IpSec tunnel.
They do not have certificate anywhere in their install documentation.

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Micheal Espinola Jr
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 4:11 PM
To: ntsysadm
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Weird request from a vendor

Is there anything else you want to say about this that you already haven't 
up-front?  Just saying port 443 implies that you are referring to HTTPS which 
also implies encrypted traffic - which is normal for a type of securely 
transmitted data.

If these guys think that just because its on port 443, that automagically makes 
it secure, well then thats something completely different - and completely 
stupid.  But to you initial question of "You ever heard of someone whitelisting 
a server on the Internet to push data through a firewall on port 443", yea - 
thats normal in the context assumed above.

Perhaps you should go back to the vendor and go over the exact details of your 
concerns items-by-item.

--
Espi


On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:02 PM, David McSpadden 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I am.

From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] 
On Behalf Of Micheal Espinola Jr
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:59 PM
To: ntsysadm

Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Weird request from a vendor

Are you implying that certificates to encrypt the traffic are not going to be 
involved?

--
Espi


On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:53 PM, David McSpadden 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Absolutely not encrypted.  They are relying on the 443 to make it private.  
Cracking me up.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] 
On Behalf Of Kennedy, Jim
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:46 PM
To: '[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>'
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Weird request from a vendor

You control the source, you control the destination. I would assume it will be 
encrypted....verify that.  If yes, I don't see the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] 
On Behalf Of David McSpadden
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:36 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Weird request from a vendor

Vendor x wants to send lending information over port 443 to a webserver on my 
network that will have a webservice injecting data into a SQL database.
So I ask them if we couldn't just create a vpn tunnel from their server through 
my firewall to the webservice running internally.
They reply no just open your firewall and whitelist our address then nat the 
traffic to the webservice.
I am a little more than wondering how they get away with this format for 
shipping data to financial institutions?


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] 
On Behalf Of Kurt Buff
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:32 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Weird request from a vendor

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:26 PM, David McSpadden 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> You ever heard of someone whitelisting a server on the Internet to
> push data through a firewall on port 443?

More details needed, but yes, I've put up firewall rules for specific ports and 
addresses. Very common.

Kurt


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