One firewall with DMZ & no other equip needed. Netscreen 10 would work. Ext
interface to router, Int interface to your LAN, DMZ to other LAN. This would
give you firewall protection between all interfaces plus NAT. Around 3k.

The real problem will be...what to do with the leftover Cisco 1720 & T1.
Saved enough to pay for the new firewall in 60days.

Keith


----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:40 PM
Subject: RE: Router connection issue


> The 1720's only support one WIC, so I think your only option is to get a
> switch (catalyst 2912 comes to mind) where you can set VLANs up and hang
> firewalls between the two companies. You get the connectivity with the
> protection, but it will not be free.
>
> Greg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 5:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Router connection issue
>
>
>
> Basically, we have two fully functional networks, both with Cisco 1720
> routers.  We want to keep the networks separate and only want to be able
to
> use a single T-1 instead of separate T-1s.  Both routers and T-1
connections
> are in the same wiring closet.  What I would like to do is use some sort
of
> switch for both routers to plug into and from the switch, plug into the
> single T-1.  We originally had their network connected to our and had all
> sorts of issues between our NT4 servers and their Win2K servers, which is
> why they went with a separate router and T-1.
>
> HTH,
> Pat
>
> Pat Marshall
> Systems Administrator
> Microsoft Certified Professional
> Flying Rhinoceros
> 1440 NW Overton Street
> Portland, OR  97209
> (503) 552-8700
> (503) 221-7282 (Fax)
>
>
>
>
>
>                     Steven.Beckwith@lsa
>
>                     -assoc.com                 To:     "NT System Admin
> Issues"
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>                     09/28/01 02:01 PM          cc:
>
>                     Please respond to          Subject:     RE: Router
> connection issue
>                     "NT System Admin
>
>                     Issues"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't know what a white Russian is but it sounds good for a Friday.
Don't
> start a whole discussion on it - enough noise already.
>
>
> 1) the T-1 is a digital line that connects to a CSU/DSU (serial
connection)
> on your router.  As Jason points out, CSU's can be internal or external
and
> I suspect you have an internal WIC card similar to his set up which is why
> there may be confusion.
>
>
> Although you may have an RJ-45 connector and a regular patch cord (you
could
> actually use a regular phone line), it is NOT an ethernet type connection,
> so only one router can host this connection (You could opt for a THIRD
> router in your solution).
>
>
> 2) you are also going to need to know about how many "real" (outside) IP
> addresses you have and whether you intend to "share" them (NAT - Network
> address translation) or whether you will "redirect" them (PAT - Port
address
> translation).
>
>
> A few other questions come to mind. Is there any inbound traffic that
needs
> to be directed to a specific box (www, smtp) i.e. Do you or the other
> company want to have exchange servers or web servers accessible from the
> internet (in which case you will need dedicated static outside IP
addresses
> for each service) or do you both still get mail via pop3, (in which case
> maybe you can get by with NAT).  How many nodes each office, what types of
> routers are these?
>
>
> I like the idea of sharing resources to keep costs down, but I need to say
> AMEN to the Firewalling suggestion, esp. to protect your network from
theirs
> and vice versa (as well as obviously - the outside).
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:30 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Router connection issue
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:47 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: Router connection issue
>
>
>
>
>
> Where is the csu/dsu in your layout?  You need one of them to talk from
the
>
> t1 to the router.  All of my routers were purchased with the WICT1-DSU
built
> in so I just terminate there.  If you have an external csu like from
Adtran
>
> you need the cable going from the csu to the router, depending on the
> interface.
>
>
> Here's what I would recommend to segment the networks from each other.
Make
> sure your router has 2 ethernet ports, set one port up on their network
and
>
> the other on your network.  Setup a loopback port and route anything going
> from network A to network B to that loopback and vice versa, but anything
> going to and from the Internet would be routed properly.
>
>
> Also....it's really really really necessary to setup some sort of
firewall.
>
> Perhaps that's where you can do your routing from network to internet.
Setup
> a Linux box with 3 NICs, 1 for each network and 1 for the internet router.
> Setup the firewalling and away you go.
>
>
> If you need more help, feel free to contact me directly.
> Jason Morris CCDA CCNP
> Network Administrator
> MJMC, Inc.
> 708-225-2350
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 3:30 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Router connection issue
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
> I've been a lurker for quite a while (learning bunches), but now I have a
> problem that totally confounds me.
>
>
> There are two companies in the building where I work.  Each company has a
> separate network connected through a separate Cisco router to a T-1.  For
> financial reasons, the two companies have agreed to share a single T-1.
What
> I would like to do is have a switch  that both routers plug into, and
which
> then uplinks to the single T-1.  We do not want to co-mingle the networks.
> According to Cisco's documentation, it is a straight-through cable from
the
> router to the T-1.  If I connect the switch or a hub between
>
> our router and its T-1, I get an alarm on the router and no connection
> lights on the switch/hub.  I've also tried using a crossover cable with
the
>
> same effect and have tried using/not using the uplink port on the
> switch/hub.  Have also tried restarting the router between connection
> changes.  What am I missing?  I'm ready to give up and head to the nearest
> bar for a pitcher of White Russians.
>
>
> TIA,
> Pat
>
>
> Pat Marshall
> Systems Administrator
> Microsoft Certified Professional
> Flying Rhinoceros
> 1440 NW Overton Street
> Portland, OR  97209
> (503) 552-8700
> (503) 221-7282 (Fax)
>
>
>
>
>
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