LOL I figured someone would, before too long. * *
*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Michael B. Smith <[email protected]>wrote: > I was getting ready to invoke Godwin’s law.**** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > Michael B. Smith**** > > Consultant and Exchange MVP**** > > http://TheEssentialExchange.com**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Mathew Shember [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, September 09, 2011 12:36 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: DigiNotar compromise**** > > ** ** > > Ok. **** > > ** ** > > When I hear “property rights” people using that phrase tend to argue it’s > absolute.**** > > ** ** > > Anyhow.**** > > ** ** > > Let’s not bury the group with political economic theory. **** > > ** ** > > How about starting an OS holy war? :p**** > > ** ** > > Thanks,**** > > Mathew**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:32 PM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: DigiNotar compromise**** > > ** ** > > Your example is an example of protecting the equal rights of all to their > own selves and property. If the judgement of the fire marshal was correct, > then he was correcting a clear and present danger to the lives and property > of those likely to be affected by the fuel maker's mistakes.**** > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 21:12, Mathew Shember <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > Property rights should never be absolute.**** > > **** > > I had neighbor who decided he was going to make his own fuel. His > “rights” were violated when the local authorities were notified and he was > shut down by the fire marshal. The fire marshal mentioned his “gerry > rigged” setup would have eventually exploded and would burned down a couple > houses in the process.**** > > **** > > A little regulation is a good thing.**** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:59 PM > **** > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: DigiNotar compromise**** > > **** > > Alrighty then.**** > > > > If you want us all to be more precise, I'll restate: > > Laws and regulations that inhibit the free exercise of individual's rights > to their own property and right of contract (and by individuals I don't mean > corporations), deny the ability of the participants in the marketplace > (i.e., those who are buying and selling) to gain a correct signal in regard > to supply and demand. If you can't sell what you have to me at a price and > under conditions agreed to by both of us, we will not be making a > transaction that satisfies our full mutual requirements. One of us, buyer or > seller, will be come out behind on the transaction. > > Government regulations are by definition anti-competitive. > > This is basic economics. > > Kurt**** > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 19:53, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]> wrote:** > ** > > The *market* makes decisions? > > Where is this mythical market? The market is based on people, and if they > can't be trusted to make good decisions without oversight when grouped > together under the banner of government, they cannot be trusted to do so > when grouped together under the banner of corporation or market. > > People, as we have oft observed on this very list, tend to make very bad > decision -- more so in groups. > > *Theoretically* a free market system will operate better than many others > under most circumstances, but in practice, a *little* bit of regulation is > needed to make sure that the rules largely remain throughout the game the > way they did at the beginning of the game. Most regulation, it might > easily be observed, has come about when the leaders in a given market got > too free with said market, to the detriment of other players in that market. > > But hey, don't let reality stop you from fawning over what could be... > > Oh, and I fully expect that in addition to "iPhone thread!" we're now going > to have to endure months of "DigiNotar thread!" > **** > > **** > > *ASB***** > > *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker***** > > *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…***** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > And in practice. > > Outside the textbook, laws and regulation which don't respect property and > contract rights robs the market of its ability to make decisions.**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 13:28, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]> wrote:** > ** > > *>>**A free market doesn't guarantee good results, just better results > than anything else.* > **** > > In theory. Outside of the textbook, the abundant use of free market often > requires regulatory intervention...**** > > *ASB***** > > *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker***** > > *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…***** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:28, Ben Scott <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> There's no rule that says that has to happen. It would appear > >>> that most people chose price over security, and so far that has > >>> generally meant that those who value security more are left > >>> without any really satisfying vendor. > >>**** > > >> If there's a market, or even if someone thinks there's a market, plus a > >> way to make it profitable, then you can bet someone will start something > up. > > > > You ignore startup costs, network effects, and other barriers-to-entry. > > > > Start, sure. Succeed or see any real adoption? Not so certain. > > The free market is not a panacea.**** > > A free market doesn't guarantee good results, just better results than > anything else. > > Kurt**** > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
