an overwhelming sense of smug?
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On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 15:05, Crawford, Scott <[email protected]>wrote: > The same way Mac users know they haven't been infected with a virus. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:02 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Zero-day bugs overrated, Microsoft says > > How do know you haven't already been compromised by a 0day? > > Seriously - how do you know? > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 14:20, andy <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you get compromised by the zero day attack and sensitive > > information is obtained by the attacking party > > > > Then it is a reason to be concerned and probably important that you > > address the situation and probably panic a little. > > > > > > If you do not get compromised by the zero day attack > > > > Then it is not a big concern. > > > > ---- > > > > read at your own risk. > > > > =========================== > > and relating to an earlier thread.... > > ============================ > > > > If you are not running a virus scanner and your system gets infected, > > by a trojan, worm, spyware, adware, malware, ransomware, scareware, > > pests, or any other malware that is out there ...The it might be time > > to reevaluate your decision on running a virus scanner. > > > > If you are not running a virus scanner and your system does not get > > infected by anything, then obviously, you do not need to be running a > virus scanner. > > > > > > andy0 > > > > > > > > At 12:26 PM 10/19/2011, Erik Goldoff wrote: > > > > there's a point of reference here ... unless a zero day exploit is > > EXTREMELY aggressive in propagating around the world ( and drawing > > even more attention to its vector ) it will NOT be the most pervasive > > and therefore not the largest cause of issues. Zero day exploits take > > time to propagate and by the time they have opportunity to reach the > > same saturation rates as other malware they are no longer zero day. > > > > Spin it how you like. And 72.4% of all statistics are made up on the > spot. > > > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Michael B. Smith > > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > I don't get it. Sorry, I don't. > > > > If (as the article says) only one-tenth of one percent of issues are > > caused by zero-days; then that's not even a blip on the radar. > > > > That doesn't mean "don't be vigilant" and "don't have good processes > > and procedures", at least not to me. It means that pursuing a > > well-rounded defense in depth strategy is the proper course - as always. > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael B. Smith > > Consultant and Exchange MVP > > http://TheEssentialExchange.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kurt Buff [ mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:19 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: Zero-day bugs overrated, Microsoft says > > > > From the article: > > > > "We're not saying don't worry about zero-days. But they need to be put > > into context," said Jeff Jones, a director of security with > > Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing group. "For the person who has > > security as a day-to-day job, they need to worry about the things that > > are most prevalent and most severe." > > > > Hmmm.... > > > > What is a zero-day except the most severe thing - caught, and not > > merely with your knickers down, but effectively no knickers at all. > > > > Yes, patch - first, last and always - but the proliferation of > > software diversity makes that very hard. > > > > Don't Panic? Well, that's only useful advice if you take it to mean > > that you shouldn't start a full-bore linear run into whatever obstacle > > is in your way. On the other hand, if your blood pressure isn't rising > > to dangerous levels because of the situation, you probably don't know > > what the hell is going on, or else your IT policy is hated by your end > > users because they can't install their favorite malware magnets. > > > > Kurt > > > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 08:18, David Lum <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thoughts? > >> > >> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9220705/Zero_day_bugs_overrate > >> d_Microsoft_says?taxonomyId=85 > >> > >> David Lum > >> Systems Engineer // NWEATM > >> Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ < > > http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > --- > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > or send an email to [email protected] > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ < > > http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > --- > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > or send an email to [email protected] > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > --- > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > or send an email to [email protected] > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ < > http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
