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From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Zero-day bugs overrated, Microsoft says That was brilliant, lol :) From: S Powell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Zero-day bugs overrated, Microsoft says an overwhelming sense of smug? ----------------- Who'd you rather be, the Beatles or the Rolling Stones? On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 15:05, Crawford, Scott <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: The same way Mac users know they haven't been infected with a virus. -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Zero-day bugs overrated, Microsoft says How do know you haven't already been compromised by a 0day? Seriously - how do you know? On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 14:20, andy <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > If you get compromised by the zero day attack and sensitive > information is obtained by the attacking party > > Then it is a reason to be concerned and probably important that you > address the situation and probably panic a little. > > > If you do not get compromised by the zero day attack > > Then it is not a big concern. > > ---- > > read at your own risk. > > =========================== > and relating to an earlier thread.... > ============================ > > If you are not running a virus scanner and your system gets infected, > by a trojan, worm, spyware, adware, malware, ransomware, scareware, > pests, or any other malware that is out there ...The it might be time > to reevaluate your decision on running a virus scanner. > > If you are not running a virus scanner and your system does not get > infected by anything, then obviously, you do not need to be running a virus > scanner. > > > andy0 > > > > At 12:26 PM 10/19/2011, Erik Goldoff wrote: > > there's a point of reference here ... unless a zero day exploit is > EXTREMELY aggressive in propagating around the world ( and drawing > even more attention to its vector ) it will NOT be the most pervasive > and therefore not the largest cause of issues. Zero day exploits take > time to propagate and by the time they have opportunity to reach the > same saturation rates as other malware they are no longer zero day. > > Spin it how you like. And 72.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot. > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Michael B. Smith > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > I don't get it. Sorry, I don't. > > If (as the article says) only one-tenth of one percent of issues are > caused by zero-days; then that's not even a blip on the radar. > > That doesn't mean "don't be vigilant" and "don't have good processes > and procedures", at least not to me. It means that pursuing a > well-rounded defense in depth strategy is the proper course - as always. > > Regards, > > Michael B. Smith > Consultant and Exchange MVP > http://TheEssentialExchange.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [ mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:19 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Zero-day bugs overrated, Microsoft says > > From the article: > > "We're not saying don't worry about zero-days. But they need to be put > into context," said Jeff Jones, a director of security with > Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing group. "For the person who has > security as a day-to-day job, they need to worry about the things that > are most prevalent and most severe." > > Hmmm.... > > What is a zero-day except the most severe thing - caught, and not > merely with your knickers down, but effectively no knickers at all. > > Yes, patch - first, last and always - but the proliferation of > software diversity makes that very hard. > > Don't Panic? Well, that's only useful advice if you take it to mean > that you shouldn't start a full-bore linear run into whatever obstacle > is in your way. On the other hand, if your blood pressure isn't rising > to dangerous levels because of the situation, you probably don't know > what the hell is going on, or else your IT policy is hated by your end > users because they can't install their favorite malware magnets. > > Kurt > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 08:18, David Lum > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Thoughts? >> >> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9220705/Zero_day_bugs_overrate >> d_Microsoft_says?taxonomyId=85 >> >> David Lum >> Systems Engineer // NWEATM >> Office 503.548.5229<tel:503.548.5229> // Cell (voice/text) >> 503.267.9764<tel:503.267.9764> > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ < > http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ < > http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. 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