Just a brief note on this subject. When I was a teen, I worked at a fast food place for a year. When new to the register we had these fancy things where you press buttons for the items, when someone gave you money, you entered the money into the deal and gave back the change. If your balance at the end of the day was off by more then $0.05 more then 3 times in a month you were fired.
When I first started at this job, in addition to learning to 'push buttons', I had to learn customer service, menu items, customization to items (-this +that) and still smile to that annoying jerk who is angry at having waited in line for more then 60 seconds and is waiting for his change and that bastard rolling his eyes behind him while making sarcastic comments. As a teenager, with hormones a changing, parents divorcing, school etc I got A's in math in school. I learned over time how to do the math and reverse count change properly. It is a learned skill and my manager taught it to me but I sure couldn't do it that first week. I could not reverse count change properly until taught. It was a dying skill when I was at this job 23 years ago, I imagine it's not really even taught at all in fast food joints anymore but is taught in other eating establishments. This has nothing to do with "today's schools". I had co-workers who couldn't do this then. I meet young people at counters today and some can and some can't. Some never will and others will have better jobs. While fun to use the old 'todays schools' whipping post, it's not an accurate whipping post to use. Your example while also funny, is pretty much the exact same examples I saw in the 1980's on a photocopied paper passed around my class room by the teacher, only the dates were off a few decades and the product was whatever group felt slighted at that time. Fear of screwing up in public, fear of being fired, fear of something different while new and learning are powerful drivers. In any case, something to consider when you make someone cry. :) Steven Peck On Jan 23, 2008 3:31 PM, Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That really depends on where you are. Down here in Oklahoma kids are > still very much raised in a Yes Sir, No Sir, Please and Thank you, kind > of way. It wasn't that way though when I lived in Colorado. Location, > location, location... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:07 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: MATH > > Very true Kim, and it doesn't help when you get parents that threaten > legal action repeatedly, even though their kid is the worst offender in > the school. And don't get me started on the lack of respect that kids > are raised with these days. In my day, you said Yes Sir, No Sir, Yes > Maam, No Maam. These days, you're lucky to get a Ya, or no... And > forget the kids calling you Mr. or Mrs. Either... > > Joe Heaton > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:49 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: MATH > > Not to mention an environment where teachers have absolutely no control > of their pupils because of fear of legal reprisals, among other things. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:43 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: MATH > > > Yep, the public school system is pretty sad, but when the government > decides not to put any real money into the system, what can we really > expect? > > "I've been doing so much with so little for so long, that they now > expect me to do everything with nothing." > > That's how a lot of teachers feel these days... > > Joe Heaton > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:50 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: OT: MATH > > Wednesday Funny???? > > Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter > girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents > from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel > and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen > on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just > give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he > tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why > do I tell you this? > > Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s: > > 1. Teaching Math In 1950s > A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is > 4/5 of the price. What is his profit ? > > 2. Teaching Math In 1960s > A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100 His cost of production is > 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit? > > 3. Teaching Math In 1970s > A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is > $80. Did he make a profit? > > 4. Teaching Math In 1980s > A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is > $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20. > > 5. Teaching Math In 1990s > A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and > inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the > preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of > $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class > participation after answering the question: How did the birds and > squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong > answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. ) > > 6. Teaching Math In 2007 > Un hachero vende una carretada de madera para $100. El costo de la > producciones es $80. 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