RAM is cheap if you have room in your budget add RAM, when I quoted the server you referenced in Oct I think it was around $200 to go from 96 to 128 GB of ram. Unless I'm confusing that with the price difference between dual quad core and six core cpu's. But either way it's cheap. Power Edge T710s w/2 x 6 core xeon procs, 128 GBs of memory was under 6k with no internal storage. Plan your build to put every service on it's own VM and give them the the RAM they need. Don't skimp with by provisioning 1GB of ram on an 08R2 server. It really does make your life a lot simpler if you have to take down one thing for an upgrade without taking down a half dozen other services because they are on the same server. You've got to build out your infrastructure to allow for growth or you be back at the boss' door begging for more $$. And seriously look at some type of SAN. Even a decent little QNAP would probably suffice for you at this point if you can show your disk IO isn't massive. Less than 2k can get you a 4-6 bay and TB's of storage. Buy a second smaller one and you have instant replication for DR.
________________________________ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config Max the box? Seriously? That's a bit absurd. The max is 192 GB. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Tiny vendor app databases - for the love of all that is sane, separate these out on different VMs, if they are actually different types of databases - by this I mean one is MSSQL, another is Pervasive, etc. RAM - you can't have enough. Max the box. Don't forget to get enough network - Good quad-port NICs are your friend. Kurt On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:07, Ben Scott <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Sorry to interrupt the cell phone talk, but I've got a question > about NT system administration. ;-) > > I'd appreciate any input people have on this. Thoughts, > suggestions, recommendations, dopeslaps, etc. Pointers to references, > or FMs to R, are also welcome. > > SUMMARY > > * Spec'ing a server for small business virtualization > * Best hard drive config? > * Eight fast mid-sized disks in one big RAID 10? > * Larger slower mirrored disks, but some dedicated to workloads? > * Unsure as to RAM and CPU sizing > > BACKGROUND > > The Powers That Be here at %WORK% have finally agreed to let me > upgrade our server infrastructure (and there was much rejoicing). > We're a small shop, basically just two servers, with most everything > running on a single server. DC, file, print, Exchange, apps, etc., > all on the one box. Obviously far from ideal, but it wasn't > cost-effective to do anything else before. With virtualization now > being in our reach, my goal is to split that into dedicated VMs, and > move everything on to a single physical box. > > I've not found much capacity planning guidance for small businesses > who want to do virtualization on a single server. All the guides seem > to assume 1000s of users, and help one figure out how many servers to > buy for one's load. I'm trying to figure out how much of a server to > buy, for the varied VMs I want to put on it. > > CURRENT ENVIRONMENT > > * Single physical site, single domain, single AD site > * 100 MB NTDS, 285 MB SYSVOL > * 85 named users, plus a dozen or so shared role accounts > * 120 CALed PCs > * 370 GB plain old files on the file server > * 150 GB Exchange information store > * 130 GB other stuff (OS overhead, server software, OS images, WSUS, etc.) > * 25 network printers > * Win 2000 Server (I know, I know); Exchange 2003 > > MY PLAN SO FAR > > We're a Dell shop, so PowerEdge T710. Eight disk bays. Two CPU sockets. > > Win 2008 R2 Datacenter. Gotta love the unlimited VMs. > > Hyper-V, simple because it makes the support question less complicated. > > Budget isn't set in stone, but I'm shooting for the 8 - 12 kilobuck > range, including service contract, not including software. Obviously > we don't want to spend more than we have to, but if something is > cost-justified I can argue to get it. > > At least five VMs: DC/DHCP/DNS. Exchange. File server. Print > server (ill-behaved print drivers). And one catch-all -- WSUS, BES, > anti-virus server, license servers, a few tiny vendor-app databases. > Maybe split that last one up a bit more, maybe not. > > I think a SAN would be overkill for us right now. One nice thing > about virtualization is that we can easily migrate the VHDs to a SAN > when get to that point. > > DISK CONFIGURATION > > Traditional wisdom was to use dedicated spindle sets for things like > Exchange. Your dedicated Exchange server would have a small mirror > for OS and software, a small mirror for the transaction logs, and > however much you needed for the Information Store. Virtualization > makes the question more complicated. > > I could get eight mid-sized 15 KRPM disks, and put them in RAID 10 > (stripe of mirrors). Have most of it be a giant partition on the > host, containing all the VHDs. > > Or I could get larger, 7.2 KRPM disks, put them in mirrored pairs, > and dedicate mirrors to workloads. One mirror set for the Exchange > IS, another for the logs, a third for plain old files, and a fourth > for everything else. Or some variation on that theme. > > Thoughts on this? > > RAM AND CPU SIZING > > For such a small environment, am I okay oversubscribing the physical > cores/hyperthreads? For example, if I get a single six core processor > (leaving the second socket open for future expansion), will that be > okay? Does Exchange have to have multiple dedicated cores to run > well? > > Likewise, how much RAM do I really need to give the single-purpose > VMs? I'm thinking 1 GB for the print server. Will the DC be okay > with 1 GB? I'm thinking the more RAM I can give Exchange and the file > server, the better, so there's a trade-off here. > > > > > Thanks for reading. :) > > -- Ben > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
