do you remember what version of ePO ?  The 3.6 and earlier IIRC were MMC
based, and 4.0 and later (VirusScan 8.5 and newer) were java based.
Somewhat different animals.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote:

> We found that it didn't actually push the clients out as we wanted -
> it was quite erratic, and would fail more often than we could tolerate
> - and was *very* slow to update client definitions.
>
> The interface was not intuitive, either.
>
> It's been about 3 years since I worked with it, so it might have
> gotten better, but I still won't recommend it.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 18:13, Mathew Shember
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Really?
> >
> > We found ePO rather easy.   What problems did you have with it?
> >
> > Vipre wasn't available back then so they went with SEP   ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:24 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: The Security Earthquake That Nobody Felt
> >
> > We had ePO - it was one of the driving reasons for us to abandon it.
> > The other reason was the unreasonable amount of resources the client
> sucked out of the workstations. Yet another reason was the price - we got
> VIPRE Enterprise for the renewal price of McAfee, and the renewal price on
> VIPRE was hard to beat.
> >
> > Hard to say which reason topped the others - kind of a 3-way tie...
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:56, Mathew Shember <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >> I guess the snark wasn't obvious.
> >>
> >> The AV is tolerable as long as you have ePO going.   However, my
> "enlightenment" happened when there was a fast moving version of sdbot
> which snuck by and I had to user higher tiered support.   They identified
> it with Kaspersky.
> >>
> >> We were going to use ironmail (another company) but decided against it
> after hearing the announcement.....
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]]
> >> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 4:28 PM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: Re: The Security Earthquake That Nobody Felt
> >>
> >> Well, yes, actually, and they are part of Intel, and have been
> acquiring companies for themselves - for instance, Secure Computing a few
> years ago, for their Sidewinder firewalls (which are now McAfee Secure
> Enterprise Firewalls), among others.
> >>
> >> I still don't like their AV product, but they haven't yet ruined the
> firewall...
> >>
> >> Kurt
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 15:57, Mathew Shember <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>> Mcafee is stillll in business?
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[email protected]]
> >>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 02:46 PM
> >>> To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]>
> >>> Subject: The Security Earthquake That Nobody Felt
> >>>
> >>>      * The Security Earthquake That Nobody Felt
> >>>
> >>> Wow, this is actually major security news. I found this on the blog
> >>> from Coretrace, and they said: "This week, McAfee, one of the two
> >>> dominant forces in reactive, blacklist-based endpoint security,
> >>> actively and unequivocally endorsed Application Whitelisting.
> >>> Ironically, in hard coverage of Symantec's recent problems with
> >>> pcAnywhere, the industry is actively recommending application
> whitelisting too." Here is the link:
> >>> http://www.coretraceblogs.com/2012-01/security-earthquake-that-nobody
> >>> - felt-mcafee-endorses-application-whitelisting/
> >>>
> >>> So, what is the big news? It turns security on its head. Instead of
> >>> keeping bad code out, with application whitelisting (also known as
> >>> Application Control) you only allow known-good code to run. That's
> >>> really a 180, and very, very interesting from a system admin
> perspective.
> >>>
> >>> I have done some research in this area and have written a whitepaper
> >>> about whitelisting, and why as a system admin you should look into
> >>> this for the near future. This is a new security layer for your
> >>> 'defense-in-depth'. You will hear more from me about whitelisting this
> year:
> >>> http://www.knowbe4.com/resources/the-endpoint-security-advantages-of-
> >>> w hitelisting-a-whitepaper-for-system-administrators/
> >>>
> >>> Warm regards,
> >>>
> >>> Stu
> >>>
> >>>
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