Me sour grapes? About getting a degree no? I'm glad I did it, and have absolutely no regrets. I said it opened doors to me, didn't I?
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Brown <[email protected]>wrote: > Those are some seriously sour grapes you are sucking on. I had a boss > who said it this way, “the degree proves he/she can finish something”. > There are no guarantees that anyone is a good or outstanding employee, at > least there are SEVERAL examples shared here to point out that degrees or > certs don’t guarantee competence. Anyone who’s done IT for more than a few > years can provide additional examples, probably good AND bad. (with or > without degrees or certs).**** > > ** ** > > Your posts suggest that you think a degreed person is LESS likely to have > competence.. sorry, that just sounds like sour grapes to me.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:49 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!**** > > ** ** > > That isn't my observation. > > On Thursday, February 2, 2012, Maglinger, Paul <[email protected]> > wrote: > > A college degree (usually) indicates that someone has obtained certain > literary, communication, and fact-finding skills that are useful in the > workplace. > > > > > > > > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:02 AM > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: OT - ugh! > > > > > > > > Going to college opens doors. And it almost doesn't even matter what > the degree is in. I think it's like a secret handshake. It says "I can > navigate a byzantine bureaucracy and complete a series of tasks without > close supervision." > > > > > > > > I might be wrong, but I think it's always there in the subconscious. I > had doors open for me that were previously shut by completing a degree (my > degree is not in IT, but in accountancy). > > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM, David Lum <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "This position requires a degree. Sorry. Click." > > > > Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only > guess the person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech > industry? Or, maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand > that thinking. > > > > It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying "we > changed our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've heard of > that kind of thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't > told what was really happening. > > > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Webster [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > > Subject: RE: OT - ugh! > > > > Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position > for a very large company in Nashville. IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 > in the process. I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes > when "all of a sudden" he says "Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no > college degree. This position requires a degree. Sorry. Click." > > > > I then took MBS' advice and went solo. I say screw FTE! :) > > > > > > Carl Webster > > Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: MMF [mailto:[email protected]] > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > > > >> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! > >> > >> Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very > >> strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact > >> that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER > >> ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer, > >> period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can > >> fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied > >> background which would include more than one job over a decade. I > >> think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds > >> to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch > >> my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best > >> efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them! It's also > obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see it! > >> > >> Murray > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: James Hill > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > > > >> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! > >> > >> I feel for you. > >> > >> But try and look at this way. If they can't see the value you can > >> offer now then it would only be a continual uphill fight if you were > >> employed by them. > >> > >> You are better off with an employer that shares your values. > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:[email protected]] > > > >> Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 9:52 AM > > > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > > > >> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! > >> > >> "Because we feel you are not diversified enough to address our issues." > >> > >> Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no > >> project management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff > >> treating the network like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop > >> the bleeding and stabilize the patient (gave then how I would do it), > >> I can implement a more proactive approach to IT management and stop > >> the fires (also gave > >> details.) > >> > >> I guess they rather have the fires... > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > That makes no sense - why do they care where yo > > > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > --- > > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > or send an email to [email protected] > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > --- > > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > or send an email to [email protected] > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin **** > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin**** > > This email and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the addressee. 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