I don't think "mr. anonymous" has crossed that line...

From: Gary Slinger [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: list delays

Nice. Very nice.
________________________________
From: Don Ely <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:19:43 -0700
To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: list delays

For those that don't recall...  Back in 2000-2001, there was a tool that chose 
to degrade women on the list for what reason I don't recall...  Said tool was 
posting from his work account which made his comments all the more 
interesting...  Said tool, was "responsible for exchange and all things 
security" at Labor Ready.  Tool was asked to return to the shed, refrain from 
acting like a douche waffle in a public forum and apologize publicly.

All the while, some "information gathering" was being performed.  Captain Tool 
of all Douche Waffles was asked one last time to apologize, otherwise his 
employer would be informed at the highest levels of his behavior.  For some 
reason he thought he was untouchable...  Needless to say, Captain Tool of all 
Douche Waffles circa 2000-2001 remained combative and unwilling to show 
remorse...  It was a interesting phone call from the CIO of Labor Ready.  He 
was truly interested in how someone could know so much about the internal 
network of Labor Ready... It's been said, that he was very happy that their 
company received a "security audit/penetration test" on the house at the time...

We'll just say that Captain Tool of all Douche Waffles was never heard from 
again and the breached levy's were rebuilt and better reinforced to reduce the 
attack surface...

A $44k per year company with one employee (actually 2 if you really study the 
LinkedIN profile) most certainly isn't worth that kind of effort...  Well, not 
to me anyway...


On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Gary Slinger 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
?
________________________________
From: Don Ely <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:46:01 -0700
To: NT System Admin 
Issues<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: list delays

Then you've forgotten the Labor Ready situation from the Exchange list...  :D
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Jon Harris 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
In all my years on this list I have never heard of anyone taking anything 
beyond the list unless it was a comment that did not belong on the list being 
sent directly to the email address of the subscribed individual usually then it 
help of some kind not attacks.

BTW I go back to about 97 or 98 so that is a LONG time.

Jon
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM, James Rankin 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I think your moniker is well-deserved - "masters" of the list is very cynical. 
I don't see it that way. And if anyone from this list saw fit to speak to my 
employer or attack me personally via telephone or snail mail, I'd see fit to go 
over to knock on their door and have it out with them. I come from a pretty 
grassroots place so if someone's out of order we tend to see nothing wrong with 
getting down on the cobbles, if necessary, and sorting it out. Each to their 
own. I don't think anyone here would do that, though. Maybe I'm "naive geek", 
but I'm not worrying about it.

IMHO, YMMV, usual disclaimers.

Signature will soon be gone.

Cheers,



JR
On 14 March 2012 15:53, Cynicalgeek 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or 
thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't 
make any sense to me.  But....whatever.

You know I've considered using my real name on here several times.  However, 
after seeing how a lot of the "masters" of this list treat the readers of the 
list, I'll never do it.  The "masters" find enjoyment in berating and 
personally attacking readers of the list.  I wouldn't put it past some or the 
"masters" to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's 
employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the 
phone, via snail mail, etc.

This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on 
that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real 
name.

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It's pretty easy to ignore a signature.  It's also funny, so I tend to give it 
a pass.  I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty 
objectionable.  The list members have come down hard on people with huge 
graphics and whatnot in their signature.  Is Mr Rankin's long?  Yeah, but it's 
text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either.

Turning this on its head.  If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming 
his signature,  why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real 
name?  Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate.

Community is built when people "know" who their peers are.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
#1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name.

#2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I 
should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures 
that are incredibly long and useless.

#3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of 
this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve 
the service of the list.


On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
1 demerit for you sir!

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir.

Jon
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they 
contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references 
included!

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world 
name, that would be a good thing also.

------Original Message------
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: list delays
Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28

Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature 
on demand we would all be better off. ;)
Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

> wow.  4 hour delays on postings.  really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris.
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