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On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Jonathan Link <[email protected]>wrote: > A cynical person should've foreseen this occurring. > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Cynicalgeek <[email protected]>wrote: > >> And now somebody is filling out forms in my name and having local >> business call me for their services. >> >> Real pros on here. >> >> First porn, now you're making my phone ring with bogus requests. >> >> Real pros. >> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Doug Hampshire <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Don't make me stop this car. Because I will and you can just sit there >>> until you learn to behave. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Link >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Aww, but dad, we were having so much fun! >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Doug Hampshire >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I disconcur (unconcur, misconcur?) Over my also very long association >>>>> with this and other techie lists (especially Peter's old Exchange list) >>>>> I've found many, many things being taken offlist. Of course IIRC almost >>>>> all >>>>> of those things have involved consuming copious amount of adult beverages >>>>> (and yes, we have actually caused certain bars to run out of specific >>>>> brands of said beverages). Some of those offlist contacts have become >>>>> lifelong friends (even unto death, RIP JRH, Mr. Houge, and Mr. >>>>> Southworth). >>>>> I've also worked with many of the same people either directly (various >>>>> list >>>>> members have worked for me before) or via various consulting arrangements. >>>>> >>>>> That being said, there are no "masters" here. There is no secret >>>>> cabal. I've only seen personal types of comments when A) they are actually >>>>> good friends with the person and are just yanking their chain, or B) that >>>>> person has been such a douche bag that it appears that it's the only way >>>>> to >>>>> get them to listen (most still don't). >>>>> >>>>> Being a "real" person here has had a significant impact on my personal >>>>> and professional life. If you think how you conduct yourself on some >>>>> techie >>>>> list doesn't matter, you are sadly mistaken. The good news is pretty much >>>>> everyone I've personally encountered here and on other tech lists >>>>> (probably >>>>> 50-75 people) are very forgiving and welcoming people. My recommendation >>>>> is >>>>> to be a Real Person (tm) and consider the feedback people give you. It >>>>> also >>>>> helps if you buy a round when you do meet list members in person. (For >>>>> those that are not adept at grasping the scope of my advice here, I'm NOT >>>>> speaking to Mr. Harris. I'm addressing multiple other offenders here. I >>>>> just happened to pick his message to reply to.) >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Jon Harris <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In all my years on this list I have never heard of anyone taking >>>>>> anything beyond the list unless it was a comment that did not belong on >>>>>> the >>>>>> list being sent directly to the email address of the subscribed >>>>>> individual >>>>>> usually then it help of some kind not attacks. >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW I go back to about 97 or 98 so that is a LONG time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jon >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM, James Rankin >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think your moniker is well-deserved - "masters" of the list is >>>>>>> very cynical. I don't see it that way. And if anyone from this list saw >>>>>>> fit >>>>>>> to speak to my employer or attack me personally via telephone or snail >>>>>>> mail, I'd see fit to go over to knock on their door and have it out with >>>>>>> them. I come from a pretty grassroots place so if someone's out of >>>>>>> order we >>>>>>> tend to see nothing wrong with getting down on the cobbles, if >>>>>>> necessary, >>>>>>> and sorting it out. Each to their own. I don't think anyone here would >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> that, though. Maybe I'm "naive geek", but I'm not worrying about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IMHO, YMMV, usual disclaimers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Signature will soon be gone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JR >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 March 2012 15:53, Cynicalgeek <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it >>>>>>>> hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other >>>>>>>> people just doesn't make any sense to me. But....whatever. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. >>>>>>>> However, after seeing how a lot of the "masters" of this list treat >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> readers of the list, I'll never do it. The "masters" find enjoyment in >>>>>>>> berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> past some or the "masters" to actually look somebody up and either A) >>>>>>>> call >>>>>>>> a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack >>>>>>>> (verbally) in >>>>>>>> real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism >>>>>>>> that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email >>>>>>>> address not >>>>>>>> using my real name. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I >>>>>>>>> tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge >>>>>>>>> pictures, >>>>>>>>> those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr >>>>>>>>> Rankin's >>>>>>>>> long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my >>>>>>>>> attention, either. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. >>>>>>>>> Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to >>>>>>>>> ask >>>>>>>>> you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears >>>>>>>>> legitimate. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Community is built when people "know" who their peers are. >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first >>>>>>>>>> and last name. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long >>>>>>>>>> signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask >>>>>>>>>> users not >>>>>>>>>> to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help >>>>>>>>>> the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of >>>>>>>>>> the list >>>>>>>>>> NOTHING and improve the service of the list. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1 demerit for you sir! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many >>>>>>>>>>>> beers tonight sir. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jon >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv >>>>>>>>>>>>> provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been >>>>>>>>>>>>> completed >>>>>>>>>>>>> with references included! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------Original Message------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: list delays >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' >>>>>>>>>>>>>> email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed or ditch lyris. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hog! 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