I have a couple of guests on local storage, is what I meant to say. All my hosts have local storage.
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Jonathan Link <[email protected]>wrote: > This could work. I like local disk storage so I can easily move an ISO > library to the hosts. What's outlined is certainly viable. > Once the host is booted, it doesn't really rely on local storage in a SAN > environment, as the guests reside on the SAN. > I have a couple of hosts on local storage, but these are low priority or > something I'm testing. Local storage gives you flexibility. I can restore > a VM and some data to a host if the SAN were to become unavailable. > > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, David Mazzaccaro < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I am still researching and meeting w/ vendors.**** >> >> One thing that has just come up w/ a particular vendor.**** >> >> They are telling me that they would put in 3 hosts, w/ no hard drives and >> that VMware would run off a USB stick???**** >> >> This sounds pretty cheesy to me… is this common practice?**** >> >> What are the pros/cons to USB stick vs a pair of mirrored drives on the >> hosts?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:44 AM >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >> *Subject:* RE: New to virtualization**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The reality here is that you’re not going to spend $130k on a >> virtualisation solution and *not* want to add more VM’s,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go – you’ll make use of it I >> guarantee it.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Jonathan Link >> [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] >> >> *Sent:* 15 March 2012 14:03 >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >> *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was >> incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, >> I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may >> not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the >> guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based >> on load balancing not licensing.**** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> >> wrote:**** >> >> No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide: >> **** >> >> >> http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf >> **** >> >> **** >> >> You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided >> that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise >> license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) >> enterprise licenses.**** >> >> **** >> >> Check out page 8 on the document above – has this exact example in a >> diagram.**** >> >> **** >> >> Cheers**** >> >> Ken**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM**** >> >> >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues**** >> >> *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization**** >> >> **** >> >> It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on >> 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a >> switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have >> to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, >> or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise >> licenses (DAMHIKT).**** >> >> **** >> >> Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. >> And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your >> response in about 4-6 hours.**** >> >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. < >> [email protected]> wrote:**** >> >> And I’m not familiar with the HP hardware, so it’s very possible they >> can—I just didn’t see anything about clustering in the original post.**** >> >> **** >> >> Why it’s important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on >> clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with >> licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is >> only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for >> patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server >> licenses for those VMs.**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM**** >> >> >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues**** >> >> *Subject:* Re: New to virtualization**** >> >> **** >> >> I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily.**** >> >> **** >> >> At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. >> Of course, this depends on the workload of the boxes, but for all but the >> most extreme workloads, this is probably doable.**** >> >> **** >> >> If you build each host to support 30-40% more VMs than normal, then you >> can suffer a failure of one of them without great difficulty. >> **** >> >> *ASB***** >> >> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker***** >> >> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…***** >> >> **** >> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Miller Bonnie L. < >> [email protected]> wrote:**** >> >> I don’t see any mention of failover clustering. Right now, how much do >> you lose if one server is down? How much would you lose if 4 servers were >> down instead?**** >> >> **** >> >> Just a thought, but you could add another host server, or stick with >> three, run datacenter, and build them with enough guts to run 6 VMs each. >> That also gives you the ability to spin up test servers, etc, as you >> mentioned.**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:04 AM**** >> >> >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >> *Subject:* New to virtualization**** >> >> **** >> >> Hi all,**** >> >> I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into >> the virtual world.**** >> >> ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old**** >> >> Windows 2003 domain**** >> >> Exchange 2003 **** >> >> Citrix 4.0 farm**** >> >> ~190 users**** >> >> After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here’s what they are >> recommending:**** >> >> (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000**** >> >> (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of >> storage for the VMs) ~$20,000**** >> >> VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200**** >> >> (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to >> run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each)**** >> >> I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, >> and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the >> host’s CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)… right?**** >> >> I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have >> started the conversation along the same path as above.**** >> >> Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? **** >> >> It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and >> the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet)**** >> >> Do people recommend virtualizing every server? **** >> >> Domain controllers? 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