I would modify your statements in the following way: 1) Always have a way to boot a DC without the dependancies of other services. AKA, you can virtualize your DCs if your VM solution doesn't require a domain to boot/manage. Having a physical DC does solve this problem.
2) Virtualize everything you can, save what your application vendors ask that you don't. I.E.: You can't Hyper-V a ShoreTel Director server yet. (I do see they now support a VMWare configuration.) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District ----- Original Message ----- From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[email protected]] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:30:11 -0700 Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! > Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things... > > 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical. You can certainly have virtual > DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical. > > 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at > all. Period. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! > > > > >> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup > Hyper-V boxes individually? > > No, you don't have to back them up individually. Lots of 3rd party > options here. > > > >> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a > "fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again. > > Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member. > > > > ASB > > http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker > > Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but > in no particular order: > > Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server. > No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming. > Single management tool. > Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire > VMware infrastructure. > Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup > Hyper-V boxes individually? > No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" > situation if you have to power everything off and on again. > > Outside of usability you then have: > > Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in > VMDK/OVF format > Tons of vCenter add-ins > > I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the > timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the > only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - > VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want > more than the basics. > ________________________________________ > From: John Hornbuckle [[email protected]] > Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! > > Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V? > > I've only used the latter, so I can't judge. > > > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! > > I'd assume ease of use and market leader. > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16 > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! > > Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although > Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led > to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V? > > > > John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP > MIS Department > Taylor County School District > www.taylor.k12.fl.us > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Mazzaccaro > [mailto:[email protected]] > To: NT System Admin Issues > [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 > 08:38:47 -0700 > Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! > > > > Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade. > > I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the > solution: > > > > 3 hosts: ($21k each) > > HP DL380 G7 E5660 > > Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored > > 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone > > Quad port gig adapter > > > > 2 Switches: ($1,800 each) > > HP 2910 > > > > 1 SAN ($22,700) > > NetApp 2240 > > 12 x 600GB > > > > VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200) > > > > 6 Windows licenses ($13,600): > > Server 2008 Datacenter > > > > Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000) > > > > $40k services > > Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 > > Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers > > > > Total: $185,000 > > > > Sound good? > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > . > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
